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The 5 Key Elements That make Women Attractive to Men (To This Man, Anyway)

Mon Jul 6, 2009 4:31 PM EDT
entertainment, sex, women, relationships, humor, love
By believer-369603
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Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this is the long anticipated and hotly debated response to Mz. Cyprah's legendary article, "The 5 Key Elements That Attract Women to Men." That was the article that inspired me to shoot my mouth off and ask the impeccably insightful Mz. Cyprah to write a gender-equitable exchange in the form of an article from the man's point of view. This is, after all, the dawning if the 21st century, and we should be able to keep a level playing field when discussing the Happiness of Pursuit.

Mz. Cyprah, being the intuitive and intelligent woman that she is, immediately agreed. She insisted I start writing it immediately. When I protested that she should be the one to write it, she enlisted the aid of a certain "dkaz" personality who is, apparently, some sort of temporal Act of God.
Between the two of them, I should have realized I didn't have a hut in a hurricane's chance of squirming out of this one. They gang-swarmed me. After a little bit of haggling over the deadline (it made the loveliest "wooshing" sound as it sailed past) I agreed to write the article.
That will teach me to shoot my mouth off on a Mz Cyprah column.

The First Key Element: Looks

Before you start screaming "shallow sexist pig" at me, let's take a breath and admit to some facts of life. All of us, men and women, like to look at pleasant things. Pleasant things make us feel good. If I sit on a beach and admire the sunset, nobody calls me sexist or shallow. It's nature and it's natural. Is a woman any less a product of nature? Is it any less natural to admire a beautiful woman?
Okay, then. If I walk into a room with ten unknown women lined up against a wall, my eyes are going to beeline to the one who is most appealing to my particular taste, and each and every one of you would do the same. Any one who thinks they would do otherwise, please raise your hand.
All right. You folks with your hands up?

You're lying.

All right, so what is "attractive"? Damned if I know. That's dependent on individual taste. My taste is predominately eclectic. I don't know what's going to attract me until it does. I like a calm beauty. That will make me weak in the knees. I can't describe it any other way.
I like an easy smile. I have a preference for dark hair and dark eyes, but the last passion in my life was a green-eyed blond. I love to watch a woman who moves and speaks with confidence. Not conceit, not arrogance, but just calm and self-assured.
Individual features are less important than the over-all ambiance. It's the whole package. It' s that unknown quotient of mysterious components that attracts me. Calm beauty. If I could describe it any better I'd bottle it and become an eccentric millionaire.
Looks are an attraction. Like the old saying goes, "Looking at you doesn't help me to understand you. But still, I love looking at you. "
Isn't that nice?

The Second Key Element: Communication

This is the make or break element. No matter how much fun it is to look at her, if the communication fails to materialize, my idea of "fun" is going to be severely crippled.
I have one simple rule for communication.

"Say what you mean. Mean what you say."

If she comes home from work and kills the cat with the look in her eye and says, "I had a crappy day, leave me alone," well, why shouldn't I take her at her word? I'm not suicidal.
We, us neanderthals, "guys", we can be dense when it comes to anticipating your needs. We love that you're women, and so strikingly different from us, and soft and curvy and everything that that implies, but deep down we wish you could communicate like men do. Because no matter how hard we try, it's tough.
Communication is similar to making music. The notes are important, but so are the silences in between the notes. Some of us are lucky enough to have been with someone who understands us so well that communication can be eye contact, body language, or the right touch at the right time.
Conversely, some of us have known people who can talk a hole through your brain pan and never say a dang thing.
Sometimes communication can be "I don't want to talk about it right now." But if it's important, you'd better be prepared to talk about it later.
Whatever communication method works best, do it and do it often.

The Third Key Element: Patience and Acceptance.

I know, that's two. Tough. It's my article and I can do whatever I want.

When that ultimate partner finally comes along, we want that relationship to last forever. Forever is a long time. It will seem agonizingly long if you're the type who expects instant gratification.
It's neither desirable nor fun to learn everything you want to know about somebody in the first year. Or even the first five. the process of discovery should be patient, thorough and erotic. It could last the rest of your life. Enjoy it.
Wouldn't it be awesome if, after 50 years of marriage, your wife did something that just stunned you because it was so unexpected? Let's say, for instance, she was a staunch pacifist and then one day, in the middle of a disagreement, she suddenly picked up the alarm clock and chucked it at your head.

That would make me fall in love all over again.
Provided she missed, of course.

Patience is a journey, not a goal, and that journey is fueled by acceptance. Where I live, there's a woman I don't like very much, but she once said something very profound. She said, "Don't waste your time trying to change somebody. Go find some one who doesn't need changing." I like that.
Ultimately, what I will accept and what I will be patient about are my choices. She has the same choices. During that long delirious process of learning about someone, inevitably something will come up. Now I'll have to make a decision. She's beautiful. She's hysterically funny. She's smart. The sex is mind-boggling. But can I live for the rest of my life with someone who sounds like a flock of parrots when she laughs?
I'm exaggerating, but you see my point.
Patience. Acceptance.

The Fourth Key Element: Devotion.

What an odd word. There's something slightly corny about it. It's almost embarrassing to say it out loud. But it's a critical part of a strong relationship because it encompasses all those other powerful and essential relationship words. Truth. Trust. Honesty. Fidelity.
I like devotion in a relationship. It makes me feel omnipotent. It makes me feel on top of the world. It makes me happy. It makes you feel that way too. Don't lie. Why do you think people like puppies?
I like knowing there is one person who will back me up, share my joys and miseries, build me up in the eyes of others, tell me I'm full of crap when I'm wrong and make me feel like a god when I'm right.
I can say this without a trace of self consciousness or arrogance or ego. I'll tell you why.
Because she will receive the full and equal measure of devotion from me. Having confidence in mutual devotion will make a relationship immortal.

The Fifth Key Element: Humor

This should have been at the top of the list but, you know, save the best for last and all that.
Humor is the essence of what attracts me to a woman. Humor is subversive, subtle and erotic. I can't think of anything more intimate and connecting than humor.
Well, okay, sex. But humor runs a close second.
Humor manifests itself in a myriad of forms. A very smart man once said, "Some people will never understand why a pickle is funny and a carrot is not."
Exactly.
If you've ever been with a group of people when something was said or done and you and your partner were the only two laughing, that's a good omen. You share the same sense of humor. You'll probably be together forever.
Ain't love grand?

Okay, for what it's worth, that's it. The top five things that attract me to women.
I might add that if the last four become highly developed and real love blossoms, the first one becomes irrelevant.

I can see the hands going up. "Wait, wait", you're saying. '"You didn't mention making love."
Well, no. I didn't mention food, either. Sex, like food, is a given. It is assumed that there is plenty of the right kinds of both in a strong relationship. I know what turns me on. She knows what turns me on. I know what turns her on. if you think I'm going to share this most intimate part of my life with you loons, you're nuts. Grab your partner, go home, and figure it out for your selves.

Don't forget to laugh.

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believer-369603

Okay here we go. Please don't throw anything heavy

  • 16 votes
#1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 4:32 PM EDT
dkaz

I hope you don't mind believer but instead of lining up the key elements in the position that you did, [looks, communication, patience/acception, devotion and humor]I'm going to line them up in the order that I would have put them in to suit me. Keep in mind, this is the serious dkaz. Well, at least I'm going to try to be serious. It's hard to do. [Oooo!! There's that word "hard" again. Damn thing makes me goosebumpy] Once I'm finished giving my opinion on your way of looking at relationships, I'm going back my alter ego.

Humor:

This should have been at the top of the list.

Yes it should have. Without it, a good, meaningful, long lasting, fun filled relationship doesn't stand a chance. I'm not saying it won't survive because I've seen too many couples who have been married 35, 40 even 50 years that have spent that time together without an ounce of humor in it. They're so old looking and cold. It's as though their vows read, " Do you two take each other as man and wife and promise never to laugh again?" What kind of life together is that? Humor keeps you young. It keeps you healthy. And it can create some damn hot love making that can last into the wee hours of the morning. God help you if you have a day off. Because as far as I'm concerned you'll be getting off all day on your day off. That is.....if you make me laugh.

Communication:

"Say what you mean. Mean what you say."

I love that song. Wait a minute. You said, "Say what you mean. Mean what you say" Bah! Who cares. I still like it.

Yes you have to have communication. If you shut down the lines, you might as well create a wall and each of you live on the opposite side. How can you not communicate. I don't care if it's a look, a touch, a grunt or a groan. The lines of communication have to be open. And left open. Never shut each other out. Never not include each other in your daily lives. If your day is boring as hell to me, you'll never know it. Because that's part of my job at working to have a lifelong relationship. I should want to sit there and listen to what you want to get off of your mind. And it works both ways. If you come home from work and I've had a fight with the neighbors, a family member or friend, I would expect you to give me the same courtesy of listening and letting me get my boring day off of my chest. Then to top it off, a hug, a kiss with a pat on the ass and a "I missed you, today." Of course that might mean dinner could end up being a little late but....hey....that's what microwaves are for. Or Lil' Caesar's delivery.

Ooooo!!! I forgot!!...Communication in the bedroom. Mmmm...Never be afraid to communicate there. Never be afraid to talk. Never be afraid to ask. Ask? And you shall receive........[Damn! I'm making myself hot just typing this. Excuse me while I....uh...get a bottle of cold water.]

Patience/Acceptance

I know, that's two. Tough. It's my article and I can do whatever I want.

Geez! You're an arrogant little sh!t, aren't you?

Wouldn't it be awesome if, after 50 years of marriage, your wife did something that just stunned you because it was so unexpected?

I can sum this element up with the story of Bee and Burt. Some of you have heard this so sit back while the others enjoy it.

I was at the gym one morning working out. I ended up on a treadmill which overlooked a pool. And elderly woman was swimming and as I was walking I noticed how good she looked for her age. I guessed early 70's because of the numerous laps she made.

Afterwards, we both ended up in the shower room. We came out at the same time and struck up a conversation. I learned she was 83 and her and Burt had just celebrated their 65th wedding anniversary. 65 years! And she was still smiling and laughing. I asked her the secret if there was one. Here's what she told me.

"Never deny your husband sex. Burt and I had 6 children. There were many times I was tired and didn't feel like it but I never denied him. And let me tell you something else. If you don't wanna phuck him? Give him a blow job! That's why my Burt always came home to me. He knew I'd give him anything because he always did for me."

Now, if that isn't acceptance, patience and love, I don't know what is.

I've been told numerous times that I should have been a doctor because of the patience I have. I got a kiss today from a very handsome Brit just because I had patience. It's a virtue. A virtue that pays off in the end. And acceptance? If you can't accept each others flaws then bail. Why spend your life in constant battles.

Devotion:

Truth. Trust. Honesty. Fidelity.

There has to be an element of trust in any relationship. Suspicions and accusations don't belong there whether you cause it or not. Everyone knows right from wrong. If you want to screw around and break that trust, don't expect your relationship to be a good one. If you want to sit back and accuse your partner, without a shred of evidence, again don't expect that relationship to last.

Don't lie.

Don't lie.

Looks:

This category belongs in the 13 to 25 age group. That's when looks count. It's no different than when the male peacock spreads his beautiful tail and performs his dance to attract the female. It's all part of the ritual. But as you get older and the body decides to grow in ways you never expected it to grow and things start appearing that scare the bejesus out of you, you learn that looks aren't everything. It helps, but it's not everything.

I have a preference for dark hair and dark eyes....

Funny. I have a preference for tall, dark men. That's why I don't dare go to Italy. I'll never be seen again. All of mine except one were medium height, blond men. Magoo is dark hair, blue eyes and shorter than I am. Go figure.

Okay believer. I'm giving you a grade of "A". I can't go with an "A+" because,

1- You put "LOOKS" as first [even tho you explained later you shouldn't have] and...

2- You made Ms. C and I wait too long

Good job. You're a good writer. Now! I've got an important phone call to make. See ya!!

  • 20 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:40 PM EDT
neenie1991

believer,

That was beautiful. I might have written the same list in looking for a man, but never so well. Kudos!

  • 14 votes
#1.2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:47 PM EDT
Hugo C. Gonzalez 76

believer, great article, at least you will not get too many bad comment like I did on my article, great piece, BTW! if she connected that would also make you fall in love because sahe would probably come running to you when she saw you on the floor, It is true love conquers all, now to let it fall into our laps, huh?

Yes to me unfortunately, physical attraction usually comes first but in rare occasions you get to know the person first and even if they are not your "type" you can fall fo them.

dkaz: you serious, I do not believe it! hold on.......nope the sky is not falling, lmao(joking with you).

  • 11 votes
#1.3 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:57 PM EDT
dkaz

HCG,

dkaz: you serious, I do not believe it! hold on.......nope the sky is not falling, lmao(joking with you).

Better make note of it 'cuz you're not gonna see it too often.

  • 9 votes
#1.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:06 AM EDT
wude121

Ok this is good, very good in fact. When you can get dkaz to think seriously, you can see her intelligence shine.

I don't have time to go through the whole five at this moment, but will start at one.

Okay, then. If I walk into a room with ten unknown women lined up against a wall, my eyes are going to beeline to the one who is most appealing to my particular taste, and each and every one of you would do the same.

The first thing to remember is impression? Your obviously enamored with one who you have been drawn straight for, but overreaction will be the key. Glance is often the word I would use here, then if a returned glance is rewarded, don't be shy. Had a close friend years back who was quite the legend at having women you know levitate toward him in a crowded room. He said if you ever out and you run into two women and one of which your attracted start the conversation with the other. His reasoning was if both feel accepted then there is a good possibility you can be invited back to their place for drinks and fun. Belive me I worked more than once.

  • 10 votes
#1.5 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:52 AM EDT
Greg-281912

I agree that a sense of humor is the most important factor in a partner. Without that, life can get pretty dreary.

  • 10 votes
#1.6 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:49 AM EDT
believer-369603

neenie, thanks. i appreciate it.

  • 9 votes
#1.7 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:01 AM EDT
believer-369603

Greg--

a sense of humor......Without that, life can get pretty dreary.

True. I can find the funny side of of almost anything.....you need to be able to do that.

  • 13 votes
#1.8 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:04 AM EDT
believer-369603

HCG

dkaz: you serious, I do not believe it!

When you can get dkaz to think seriously, you can see her intelligence shine.

Right when you think you have a "bead" on her, she does something like this. Pretty intriging woman, hey?

  • 10 votes
#1.9 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:08 AM EDT
believer-369603

Wude--

Your friend had an interesting approach. But still, he noticed the prettiest one first, even though didn't talk to her first, right? So my theory still holds.

God, I'm an arrogant cuss :-)

  • 12 votes
#1.10 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:18 AM EDT
believer-369603

Dkaz---

You're an arrogant little sh!t, aren't you?

"Arrogant", yes

"Sh!t", yes

"Little" not at all.

  • 11 votes
#1.11 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:47 AM EDT
believer-369603

dkaz---

Looks:

This category belongs in the 13 to 25 age group.

No, it doesn't. Read it again.

  • 10 votes
#1.12 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:51 AM EDT
believer-369603

Dkaz--

I got a kiss today from a very handsome Brit just because I had patience.

Ah! An overseas conquest. I guess colonialism isn't quite dead yet :-)

  • 10 votes
#1.13 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:55 AM EDT
roadlesstraveled

If I walk into a room with ten unknown women lined up against a wall, my eyes are going to beeline to the one who is most appealing to my particular taste, and each and every one of you would do the same. Any one who thinks they would do otherwise, please raise your hand. All right. You folks with your hands up?

I have a question. Been with my partner for two years. First year was great (honeymoon style). At the end of the first year a son was discovered...but he didnt know. Handled/handling that. Then there was his legal problems....1 years worth. Handled that, it was hard, but stood by his side. He lost his job for 10 months, I paid. Now he's depressed and so am I...its been a long road with little to no escape.

At first I wanted to look beautiful...sexy..wear some provocative things. Then as the problems mounted, I started to tie my hair up and not wear makeup. Plus hes messy and a messy home makes me feel sloppy. So Im down to jeans and t-shirts, no make-up and my hair tied back. He knows I dont like to look nice at work because I get way too much attention. We have a joke, if I am bored at work, Ill leave the house with make-up...bam...busy as a bee...If Im too busy I wear jean and a shirt..no makeup..works every time.

He now tells me Im not sexy, Im not wearing clothes that I use to. He can't be nicer or make changes because Im no longer "sexy". Every argument stops at me not being sexy...why? I have been on a long road since I started dating him...and to be told that Im not sexy really hurts. I want a future and he just says he wants to be with me....but has no plans on how...but just that Im not sexy. Why? Why do my needs and concerns not get addressed because Im not Paris Hilton style from 5am-10pm...He says he knows I can be....

I feel like I want to move to a new level and he just wants to stay in the honey moon stage...am I way off

Help.

  • 9 votes
#1.14 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:58 PM EDT
neenie1991

Honeymoon stage? Sounds like a pretty crappy honeymoon! Is he working now? Is that why he's depressed? Are you feeling resentment because he's addressing a 'sexiness' issues when it seems like there may be more important issues at hand? What are his goals and yours? Sounds like he's blaming you for something he needs to deal with. IMO. All of his issues boil down to you not being 'sexy'. Nuh uh.

  • 11 votes
#1.15 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:06 PM EDT
G. H.

roadlesstraveled, let me tell you something. When I was married to my second husband, I wanted sex. a lot. He never did. I asked him why, in the middle of a discussion about it, and he said:"Well, if you looked like Stevie Nicks, maybe I'd be more interested"! Crushing Blow! I was fighting the guys off, seriously, and he had the b#(($ to say something like that? From experience...............Get rid of the jerk! He's looking for something and trying to change YOU. Don't go for it! You are worth more than that!

  • 16 votes
#1.16 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:14 PM EDT
dkaz

believer,

"Little" not at all.

Yah? Hmmm....[Let's see...if I leave now on a nonstop flight to California I could be there in time for........[2:30 PM minus 3 hours=11:30 AM].....Ooooo!!!....Lunch!!!]

This category belongs in the 13 to 25 age group.

No, it doesn't. Read it again.

Okay. I just did. You have your opinion and I have mine.

If I walk into a room with ten unknown women lined up against a wall, my eyes are going to beeline to the one who is most appealing to my particular taste, and each and every one of you would do the same. Any one who thinks they would do otherwise, please raise your hand. All right. You folks with your hands up?

You're lying.

You're going after looks. And if you reread my comment, you'll see I don't.

Looks fade. Humor? A fantastic personality? An abundance of respect and true love, doesn't.

Call me a liar, believer but I'm here to tell you that if I walk into a room with 10 unknown men lined up against the wall, my eyes might beeline to the one who has the most appealing looks, because that's human nature, but my ears will be the decision maker.

And I better hear some humor, some respect and words of love.

Again......Looks fade.

  • 9 votes
#1.17 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:50 PM EDT
dkaz

Btw, remember this song?

Wanna dance?

  • 7 votes
#1.18 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:53 PM EDT
believer-369603

You're just saying what I said in the article. Read it again.

ten unknown women

before they speak or move or laugh. All you know is what they look like. That's all.

Again......Looks fade.

The woman I'm in love with will always be beautiful to me. It's perception from the soul, not the eyes

  • 14 votes
#1.19 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:59 PM EDT
believer-369603

You're going after looks.

Initially, yes. But it's not fair to stop there. Read it again. Read my comment #1.19

my ears will be the decision maker.

Yes. yesyesyes. Why do you think I don't agree with this?

  • 10 votes
#1.20 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:02 PM EDT
believer-369603

I better hear some humor, some respect and words of love.

If you make it here in time for lunch, you will.

  • 10 votes
#1.21 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:03 PM EDT
dkaz

Oh CRAP!!! Let me scroll again....Geez!!! I'm starting to get a callous on my finger and it's not from something I'm enjoying.

Okay, besides what I copied and pasted in comment #1.17, here's another quote of yours that tells me your object of desire must have an attractive look.

Looks are an attraction.

That's you saying that, my love. Not me.

  • 7 votes
#1.22 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT
believer-369603

Dkaz--

I might add that if the last four become highly developed and real love blossoms, the first one becomes irrelevant.

Context, love, context

  • 10 votes
#1.23 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:11 PM EDT
believer-369603

G.H. #1.16

Nicely stated.

  • 9 votes
#1.24 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:16 PM EDT
believer-369603

Looks are an attraction.

That's you saying that, my love. Not me.

Disneyland is an attraction too. So is Angelina Jolie. Doesn't mean I want to spend my life with either one. Or 5 minutes with either one.

  • 10 votes
#1.25 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:21 PM EDT
dkaz

believer,

Is this our first fight???

[laughing uncontrollably.....i can't even see.....i've gotta get a kleenex and blow my nose...]

  • 6 votes
#1.26 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:22 PM EDT
dkaz

believer,

By the way, your first comment got 6 votes. Mine got 12. Better go round up your possee..............[laughing]

Hey! I've gotta jump in the shower. I've got a hot date tonight. Wanna join me or should I use my Gerard?

  • 5 votes
#1.27 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:47 PM EDT
believer-369603

believer,

Is this our first fight???

I sort of hope so. Abs says that "make-up sex" is awesome.

  • 8 votes
#1.28 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:00 PM EDT
Simplistic Reality

Fantastic article. Well done!

  • 10 votes
#1.29 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:02 PM EDT
roadlesstraveled

I guess I just want to know:

  • How much focus on looks does it take to become shallow....and is it dangerous if you both dont agree on how much focus should be on looks. I like me t-shirt, jeans, and a fishing pole...he wants mini skirts and cleavage, everyday.

and yes he finally got back to work.

  • And another question, how come sloppy men want the mini skirts and cleavage, yet they cannot (most, i think) contribute financially to you presenting yourself that way everyday, day in and day out....its not cheap to have a new shirt thats lower that they last one.
  • 7 votes
#1.30 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:26 PM EDT
believer-369603

Simplistic---

Thanks, I'm happy you liked it

Roadlesstravelled--

How much focus on looks does it take to become shallow

If that's his only concern, it's shallow

  • 10 votes
#1.31 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:33 PM EDT
believer-369603

By the way, your first comment got 6 votes. Mine got 12.

Yeah, well, you're cuter than me. You got all the boyeeefriend votes

  • 9 votes
#1.32 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:43 PM EDT
Victoriawood

I personally think he's cuter than you are. And that's the way God intended it.

  • 6 votes
#1.33 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:22 PM EDT
believer-369603

Dkaz, love, you said

I'm here to tell you that if I walk into a room with 10 unknown men lined up against the wall, my eyes might beeline to the one who has the most appealing looks, because that's human nature

I said

If I walk into a room with ten unknown women lined up against a wall, my eyes are going to beeline to the one who is most appealing to my particular taste, and each and every one of you would do the same.

Hot damn, I must be an arrogant little sh!t, because I love being right.

Wanna have "make-up sex" now?

  • 8 votes
#1.34 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:47 PM EDT
Ms CYPRAH

Right, believer, my £2 worth!

First of all, this is a magnificent article and you do have a way with words. I am truly impressed. It was almost in the right order too, apart from 'humour'. That should have been second or third. I agree with what dkaz said about humour, except where she placed it.

You are absolutely right about 'Looks' being #1 for men. It is, at any age! Men are visual creatures. The looks come first and then they take the words into account. You only have to take a look at hundreds of men's online profiles to see the first things they desire in a woman: attractiveness and slimness - i:e physicality and looks. Even the biggest male, who looks a real slob, desires a slim, good looking woman. I often wonder how the poor 'ugly' women fare with nobody too keen on them! :o(

Second, it is your article, and I am not a man, so I won't say too much about it, but I will take issue with one more thing.

Sex, like food, is a given. It is assumed that there is plenty of the right kinds of both in a strong relationship.

Sadly, that's the mistake a A LOT of men make: believing that sex is a given, that each partner knows what turns them on. They take the experience from their old partners and bring it to the new, expecting it to work. But as they have not given sex real priority, especially in learning about the new person's sexual needs and expectations, the intimate part comes a cropper more often than not. It is also the reason why many people end up with the wrong sexual partners because they take sex as given. BAD mistake!

Nothing about sex with anyone is a given or should be predictable. Not even when you have been together for years with a partner. The most exciting thing about sex between two people is learning about each other's bodies and what turns you both on. Spontaneity and exploration should be priority. Otherwise intimacy becomes stale and predictable. Gradually partners make excuses to stop participating in it.

Finally, feel free to ignore my good friend dkaz' comment. As informative as it is, it isn't valid in the scheme of things. As far as I know, dkaz is a woman and this article is supposed to be from a 'man's' perspective, hence why you drew the short straw! Unless, of course, dkaz changed gender since we last spoke!

It was a truly enjoyable read, well worth the wait.

And one of my favourite bits? Difficult to choose one when there were too many to quote, but these deserve special mention:

Pleasant things make us feel good. If I sit on a beach and admire the sunset, nobody calls me sexist or shallow. It's nature and it's natural. Is a woman any less a product of nature? Is it any less natural to admire a beautiful woman? Okay, then.

Music to my ears!

Patience is a journey, not a goal, and that journey is fueled by acceptance.

How wonderfully perceptive, thank you.

A+ for me, believer, no doubt! :o)

PS..Thank you too for the unexpected affirmation. That was really rather kind of you!

  • 9 votes
#1.35 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:29 PM EDT
believer-369603

I'm immensely pleased that you stopped by to read this, Mz Cyprah. I'm honored to have your input. Or your £2 worth rather.

I do want to clarify something. I think you misunderstood my "sex is a given" statement. I was in no way referring to the quality of the sex, but rather to the fact that it's a given that there is some sort of sexual intimacy.

I purposely left sex out of the top five, because it doesn't belong here. That topic in and of itself is enough meat for a whole other article. Sexual intimacy is a super nova of misunderstanding and stereotyping, as I'm sure you're aware. No way was I going to touch it here, not with you and dkaz lurking about.

I might work up the courage to do an article on it though. From a man's perspective, of course.

Oh, and I think I can safely say that dkaz is most assuredly a woman. In every sense of the word.

  • 8 votes
#1.36 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
believer-369603

Hey Victoria--

Although I'm flattered, I have to disagree. She is way cuter than me.

  • 7 votes
#1.37 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:21 PM EDT
believer-369603

Mz Cyprah, for more clarification, you might want to read #17.1 and #17.3

  • 8 votes
#1.38 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:31 PM EDT
believer-369603

Btw, remember this song?

Wanna dance?

Yes and yes.

  • 6 votes
#1.39 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:54 PM EDT
cookin mama

believer what about his one?

  • 7 votes
#1.40 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:18 PM EDT
dkaz

Vic,

I personally think he's cuter than you are. And that's the way God intended it

You haven't seen me. You may want to "turn" if you ever do..................[laughing]

  • 7 votes
#1.41 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:02 AM EDT
dkaz

Hot damn, I must be an arrogant little sh!t, because I love being right.

Alright!! My hands are up. They're reaching to the sky. I'm waving the white flag. I have absolutely nothing on. I'm standing spread eagle with my back to you.

I can't compete with Vic and Ms.Cyprah because cause they both want your body along with everyone else here who agrees with everything you say. They're right. I'm wrong. Sorry for the disagreement. But that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

If you want to think that everyone considers looks in the equation, then so be it. But don't put me in that category.

10 unknown women in a line. You talk to each of them. As you go down the line of beauties, they open their mouth to speak. Ignorance comes out. The last woman in line looks like this. But when she speaks, she has the sexiest voice, she's humorous, she intelligent, she's witty, she's everything you've ever wanted in a woman.

Are you going to chose her to be the one to spend the rest of your life with?

  • 4 votes
#1.42 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:19 AM EDT
dkaz

Wanna have "make-up sex" now?

"K"!......[smacking gum and blowing bubbles]

  • 4 votes
#1.43 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:25 AM EDT
believer-369603

Dkaz-

she has the sexiest voice, she's humorous, she intelligent, she's witty, she's everything you've ever wanted in a woman....Are you going to chose her to be the one to spend the rest of your life with?

What do you think?

  • 7 votes
#1.44 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 10:10 AM EDT
dkaz

Believer,

What do you think?

Oh! Answering a question with a question tells me that the questionee can't cum up with an answer of their own for the questioner. Therefore they're stumped.

[Now....let me read this back to see if it sounds right......hang on.....da da da dada da dadadada......Okay...sounds good.]

  • 3 votes
#1.45 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:48 PM EDT
Victoriawood

D - It's not that I agree with everything he says, it's just that I'm not writing about the stuff I disagree with!

Just don't want anyone to think I'm licking the Golden Calf ... or whatever ...

:)

VW

  • 4 votes
#1.46 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:15 PM EDT
believer-369603

Answering a question with a question t

I learned that trick from you

  • 7 votes
#1.47 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:19 PM EDT
believer-369603

I'm not writing about the stuff I disagree with!

Coward. Dive in Victoria. I can take it :-)

  • 7 votes
#1.48 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:21 PM EDT
believer-369603

looks aren't everything. It helps, but it's not everything.

Precisely. Where do I say otherwise?

Are you arguing with me just so we can have crazy make-up sex?

  • 7 votes
#1.49 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:45 PM EDT
believer-369603

cookin' mama--

I heard those lyrics all the time while I was growing up......even then I talked too much :-)

  • 8 votes
#1.50 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:50 PM EDT
cookin mama

Me to.

  • 7 votes
#1.51 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:21 PM EDT
Victoriawood

Well, when I saw #1, I thought. "Hmm - I'd be out of the running before I even got the chance to open my mouth."

It's personality and humor that have gotten me through the dating, mating process. You wouldn't give me the time of day, if I were in that original 10, based on my roundish, dinky, slightly elderly package. And look at all the fun we would have missed!

Off topic, but I am extremely attracted to intelligence and wit, sight unseen.

  • 6 votes
#1.52 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:41 PM EDT
Ms CYPRAH

she has the sexiest voice, she's humorous, she intelligent, she's witty, she's everything you've ever wanted in a woman....Are you going to chose her to be the one to spend the rest of your life with?

You would probably go for her, dkaz, from a woman's point of view. But from a man's, especially one seeking a trophy on his arm, he is still going to bypass her and go for the 'stunning' airhead! :o)

Alright!! My hands are up. They're reaching to the sky. I'm waving the white flag. I have absolutely nothing on. I'm standing spread eagle with my back to you.

Methinks you protest too much, dkaz. You are allowed to keep your clothes on, at least. LOL

  • 8 votes
#1.53 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:55 PM EDT
Ms CYPRAH

I might work up the courage to do an article on it though. From a man's perspective, of course.

Beware of making promises like these, believer. You know what they will lead to..:o)

I can't compete with Vic and Ms.Cyprah because cause they both want your body along with everyone else here who agrees with everything you say.

Ouch! Catty. Do I sense a teensy weensy bit of jealousy here? I didn't know believer was so popular. LOL

  • 6 votes
#1.54 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:57 PM EDT
believer-369603

But from a man's, especially one seeking a trophy on his arm, he is still going to bypass her and go for the 'stunning' airhead! :o)

I sincerely hope you know me better than to think this is what I'm looking for, Mz Cyprah.

  • 7 votes
#1.55 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:16 PM EDT
Ms CYPRAH

No, it might not be what you're looking for believer, but I thought you were also speaking for other men! LOL

  • 5 votes
#1.56 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:19 PM EDT
believer-369603

Beware of making promises like these, believer.

When will I ever learn......


  • 7 votes
#1.57 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:24 PM EDT
believer-369603

Beware of making promises like these, believer.

When will I ever learn......


  • 6 votes
#1.58 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:26 PM EDT
believer-369603

Sorry about the double post guys, Newsvine gremlins again

Mz. Cyprah,

I thought you were also speaking for other men! LOL

I hate it when they speak for me, I would never be so presumptuous. That's why my title says (To This man, Anyway) :-)

  • 7 votes
#1.59 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:44 PM EDT
believer-369603

Victoria, I'm proud on ya. You took my challenge.

"I'd be out of the running before I even got the chance to open my mouth." You wouldn't give me the time of day,"

I disagree. Flat out.

Where do I, in the article, define "attractiveness" as a tangible thing with dilineated boundaries? In fact, I'm glad Mz Cyprah is here because she can confirm this. It's a quote from myself, and I first said it on one of her articles.

"You work side by side with a woman, you talk, you joke, and one day you look up and think "Why didn't I notice how pretty she is before?"

Intelligence and wit can manifest as physical beauty. Don't believe me? Ever see Henry Kissingers wife?What is she doing with him? It ain't his attractiveness...

I'll give you this. The first thing I notice is attractiveness., true. But let me quote myself again (god, I really am an arrogant sh!t ) and again I posted this on one of Mz Cyprah's things. "But it can all go to hell in a heartbeat if she opens her mouth and nothing interesting comes out."

So. Okay. Maybe you feel you wouldn't be first in line because of the way you think you look. But that doesn't make your statements true. I resent that implication.

So there. Neener neener. :-)

  • 7 votes
#1.60 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 7:00 PM EDT
Victoriawood

And we wonder why I don't cite the stuff I disagree with? I will stay in the positive realm and be deemed a sycophant. Much easier! I'm allergic to resentment.

  • 6 votes
#1.61 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 8:38 PM EDT
believer-369603

Aw, Victoria. You had a legitimate question, and even though it didn't come out that way, I was actually on your side. I just wanted to clarify that looks are not the be-all and end-all and I think it's actually a pretty level playing field in the long run.

From my viewpoint, anyway.

Please don't be a sycophant. I can't pronounce that word.

Peace?

  • 8 votes
#1.62 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:07 PM EDT
dkaz

There! I'm back. Now, I see a lot of interaction has taken place since this afternoon. So let me address Ms. C first.

Ms. C.

You would probably go for her, dkaz, from a woman's point of view. But from a man's, especially one seeking a trophy on his arm, he is still going to bypass her and go for the 'stunning' airhead! :o)

Agreed. I've tried numerous times to fix couples up because I KNOW they would be the ideal team but because he finds her not attractive enough or she finds him not handsome enough, they won't even give it a chance. I send each one a picture of the other and I hear "Oh! His nose is too big." or "Geez! Where's her boobs?" So the superficial wins out. Too hell with quality and the fact that one hell of a feast is waiting for them if they would just meet one time for dinner.

Methinks you protest too much, dkaz. You are allowed to keep your clothes on, at least. LOL

That's what I said to believer when HE was protesting. I said, "Methinks you protest too much and quit drooling, believer. It was his idea for me to take my clothes off. I always say, "Ask? And you shall receive." Well, he asked and he received.

Ouch! Catty. Do I sense a teensy weensy bit of jealousy here?

[Laughing] If you knew me, you would find out there's not a jealous bone in my body. I have fixed up men I have dated with friends of mine that I felt were more suited for them than I was. I point out good-looking women to Magoo, constantly. He's even left me on a dance floor to go dance with someone else. What did I do? I went to the bar and got a glass of water. I didn't care. Because I knew he was loaded. Besides, if some woman were to snatch him away, she'd be bringing him back within 24 hours. He has issues.

I don't have time for jealousy. I have too much confidence in myself to have such low self-esteem. I have never in my life had a man leave me. That's how confident I am. Does that sound like someone who is jealous by nature? Arrogant maybe, in some peoples eyes but jealous? Nope. Just pure unadulterated confidence.

I can't compete with Vic and Ms.Cyprah because cause they both want your body along with everyone else here who agrees with everything you say.

Cum on! Admit it. You'd like a piece of that young stuff like everyone else would.

[Did you notice I said, "everyone else" and not "every female"? We don't know believer, do we? We only know what he types.]

  • 4 votes
#1.63 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:08 PM EDT
dkaz

Vic,

It's not that I agree with everything he says, it's just that I'm not writing about the stuff I disagree with!

Uh huh. I see. And why is this. Perhaps you want his body too along with a certain unnamed [cough,cough. ms.c.] person?

Just don't want anyone to think I'm licking the Golden Calf ... or whatever

[Gasp!!].......He has golden calves you can lick? You had better take pictures when you see him since I'm way the hell down here in Florida.

Comment 1.52. Bravo!!!

  • 5 votes
#1.64 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:18 PM EDT
believer-369603

young stuff

Um....you would have to very very broadly define "young"

We don't know believer, do we? We only know what he types.]

Heeheehee



  • 6 votes
#1.65 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:24 PM EDT
dkaz

believer,

Tsk! Tsk!. See where you're "looks" comment got you? You're a typical male. That only other typical males will agree with along with the females who don't want to hurt your feelings. 'Cuz yer so cute!

Awww....poor baby.....cum 'ere believer. I know how to make you feel awllllllll better. All you have to do is just lay there. Let dkaz work her magic on you.

  • 3 votes
#1.66 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:29 PM EDT
Ms CYPRAH

You are too much of a scream dkaz, what can one say about you! Don't know what qe would do without your scintillating presence to fire us up. notice what damp squibs we are when you're away. :o(

As to me wanting believer, does he have long hair? Then he would have to pass by, as delicious as he sounds! Long hair turns me right off. :o(

Now to your confidence, and everything you said, may I quote one writer, on entertaining a particular guest? he wrote: The more he talked of his honesty, the faster I counted my spoons!

Make of that what you will. You're good at translating. LOL

  • 6 votes
#1.67 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:49 PM EDT
Victoriawood

Whew! Tough to bust into these strings.

B - okay. You can call me a "butt kisser." Don't wanna strain yer brain.

No worries! Piece.

  • 4 votes
#1.68 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:56 PM EDT
dkaz

believer,

If I walk into a room with ten unknown women lined up against a wall, my eyes are going to beeline to the one who is most appealing to my particular taste, and each and every one of you would do the same.

You know, last night when we went to bed around 9:30 PM and we kept talking and fussing and talking and fussing about this particular comment, you said, "I have to go pee." Remember?

Well, I laid there and thought about what you said and it hit me, "He's right!"

If Al Pacino was sitting in one chair and David Letterman was sitting in another, my eyes would immediately go to Al. If Al opened his mouth and boring dribble came out, as much as I love his looks, I'd have to go talk to Letterman and hope he made me laugh my ass off. If he did, he would be my choice.

So, when you came back to bed at 1:45 AM, in case you're wondering why I jumped your boner.......I mean.....bones..........that's why.

But one question? What if they were both mute? How would I know which one would be the better of the 2 for me? Would I have to go by looks then? Just curious.

  • 3 votes
#1.69 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 1:48 AM EDT
dkaz

Hey! Believer! I just noticed a question of yours that no one has addressed.

Ever see Henry Kissingers wife?What is she doing with him? It ain't his attractiveness...

You goof! Have you ever heard of the word, S-T-A-T-U-S?

How about the word, M-O-N-E-Y?

Take those 2 things away from him and.......oh yah........I wanna hear THAT voice softly in my ear at night and have THAT body on top of me.

But, then again. If he made me laugh until my sides split...................NAH!!!!.........[laughing].......I gotta draw the line somewhere.

  • 3 votes
#1.70 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:00 AM EDT
dkaz

Ms. C,

Now to your confidence, and everything you said, may I quote one writer, on entertaining a particular guest? he wrote: The more he talked of his honesty, the faster I counted my spoons!

Make of that what you will. You're good at translating. LOL

That was an Emerson quote. I heard it during the Bush years when he was promising not to do something and yet he really had all intentions of doing it.

I'm sorry. Maybe because it's almost 2:30 AM here, but I'm not getting the connection.

Let me take a stab. The more I talk about not wanting to bed believer, the more I'm going to do it?............YEEEEE!!!! HAAAAA!!!!

  • 3 votes
#1.71 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:30 AM EDT
believer-369603

See where you're "looks" comment got you?

I knew, and I told you, before the article went up, that that one was going to get me a pile of flak. And I was right, judging by the comments.

God, I love being right :-)

  • 6 votes
#1.72 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:02 AM EDT
believer-369603

Victoria

You can call me a "butt kisser."

Nah. How about if we just dump all the sycophantic butt-kissing altogether.

Don't wanna strain yer brain.

That's why I write these articles. I want folks to challenge me. Prove me wrong, and I'll buy you a beer. If you can't prove me wrong, but you can back up your view anyway, I'll buy you a case of beer and throw in some pretzels.

  • 6 votes
#1.73 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:09 AM EDT
believer-369603

Dkaz

What if they were both mute?

I guess you'd have to find some other criteria to compare. Fluency in sign language, maybe, or height or some other type of......protruding evidence.

  • 4 votes
#1.74 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:19 AM EDT
believer-369603

Dkaz #1.70

Money and status are highly attractive to some people. Washington is bloated with money and status. Don't you think an independent, good-looking, self-sufficient and intelligent woman like her could have found that AND good looks? Why did she "settle" for Henry?

  • 6 votes
#1.75 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:27 AM EDT
dkaz

believer,

I knew, and I told you, before the article went up, that that one was going to get me a pile of flak.

Hey, when we were in the bathroom, I was brushing my teeth as you were getting the shower ready and I told you then, "Don't add "looks"!" But did you listen to me? No! You were busy kissing my Angel.

God, I love being right :-)

Well, you weren't right about the water temp, were you? You almost burned your peepee off. Next time, I'll take care of it.......[Geez!] And quit being so arrogant!

......protruding evidence.

Hmm....That could be produced with no problem.

Don't you think an independent, good-looking, self-sufficient and intelligent woman like her could have found that AND good looks? Why did she "settle" for Henry?

'Cuz he has a big dick? I don't know. Got me hangin'. Like Henry.

But then again, maybe it was his sexy voice. I'm trying to hear in my head, Henry making dirty talk on the phone.

Nah!...........Not hearin' it. So, there's a good chance she has a crappy personality and Henry being homely and boring knew that's the best he was going to do as far as having "eye candy" on his arm.

Now he's so old and close to death, no way is she going to dump him. She's going after that "Henry" money. She probably figures she's had to kiss that statue all those years, she deserves her just reward.

  • 3 votes
#1.76 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:14 PM EDT
believer-369603

You were busy kissing my Angel.

Well, so? It's a kissable spot, uh, angel, I mean.

And quit being so arrogant!

No.

  • 5 votes
#1.77 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:49 PM EDT
cookin mama

all that talk made me think of this.

or this one.

  • 6 votes
#1.78 - Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:02 AM EDT
watersportgirl

Ms. Cyprah,

Even the biggest male, who looks a real slob, desires a slim, good looking woman.

How true! I live in a wealthy area where the women are beautiful (because they have to be), but I noticed there are hardly any gorgeous men!

I was stopped at a traffic light the other day and I noticed an attractive couple with their baby stroller. The guy was drop-dead, absolutely, without-a-doubt one of the most handsome men walking the face of the earth!

And that's what got me thinking........why is it we have all these beautiful women, but the men are fat, balding and sloppy?

Hypocrisy? Or the women sell their beauty to the fattest wallet?

I'm going for a younger dude if that's what's out there for me. Demi Moore, sign me up for your program!

  • 5 votes
#1.79 - Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:47 AM EDT
believer-369603

why is it we have all these beautiful women, but the men are fat, balding and sloppy?

That is the ultimate question, isn't it? Is it because men use wealth and power for the same reasons women use beauty?

What do you think?

  • 6 votes
#1.80 - Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:18 PM EDT
cookin mama

I would have to say some not all. both ways.

I sent you a friend request.

But dkaz said you could not see it because she had you all tied up.

  • 5 votes
#1.81 - Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:36 PM EDT
dkaz

[Unties believers wrists from the bedpost and tosses his jeans at him. No shirt though! She loves that body.]

"Go check your emails baby and get back here......Quick!!"

  • 2 votes
#1.82 - Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:11 PM EDT
believer-369603

Speaking of e-mails, little miss Bond Girl.........

  • 4 votes
#1.83 - Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:33 PM EDT
cookin mama

emails not working. throught the vine

  • 4 votes
#1.84 - Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:39 PM EDT
cookin mama

looking over shoulder

i have been cheating over on another article by AW. I'm sorry

  • 4 votes
#1.85 - Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:41 PM EDT
believer-369603

emails not working.

Ah, thanks. Didn't know that

cheating over on another article by AW. I'm sorry

Don't know who "AW" is, but if he's more arrogant than me, well, I can understand the attraction. :-)

  • 6 votes
#1.86 - Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:51 PM EDT
cookin mama

Augur Well

  • 4 votes
#1.87 - Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:08 PM EDT
Eliana-536019

I like your article!

  • 2 votes
#1.88 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 11:21 AM EDT
believer-369603

Thanks, Eliana. It was fun to write, sort of.

What did you like about it?

  • 5 votes
#1.89 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 11:45 AM EDT
Eliana-536019

What's not to like? I like your thinking. In fact, if I wasn't a Blue Heron and 61, I'd fall in love with you just from your article!

  • 4 votes
#1.90 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 11:53 AM EDT
believer-369603

hahaha. Thanks for that. Made my day.

What's a Blue Heron, besides a very large bird?

And why does being 61 stop you from falling in love?

Just curious

  • 6 votes
#1.91 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 12:44 PM EDT
Eliana-536019

Well, I have a teeny bit of Cherokee in me, and I'm a student of animals as Totems, and have used Medicine Cards and Animal Walk information as inspiration. The blue heron is my icon, a picture I took when I was out walking.

I kind of identify with the description of what it means when the Big Blue keeps appearing in your life, although I must confess it's just probably appearing now because I live where there are a lot of lakes and large birds such as the Heron, Eagles, and Snowy Egrets. (smile)

About 61--it doesn't really, just haven't run across your clone. I know, I'm being silly, so smile again:-)

Anyway, hope I can be your friend and follow you around the vine!

  • 5 votes
#1.92 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 1:28 PM EDT
believer-369603

Thanks for the enlightenment. I understand totems. I have one myself.

The largest heron I ever saw walked through my campsite in Montana. Magnificent birds. It flew off when I went to my tent to get my camera, dammit. That's a great photo that you have.

I'm guessing you live somewhere around the Great Lakes? Or a little west of there?

I hope, for the sake of society, I have no clone running around loose out there. :-) I do have a brother, but I think he's even loonier than me. Not sure I'd want to wish him on anybody.

Of course you're accepted. Thank you.

  • 7 votes
#1.93 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 1:37 PM EDT
Eliana-536019

What's your totem?

Yes, doesn't it just make your heart leap when you see some magnificent animal unexpectedly? Glad you like the photo.

Yep, in St. Paul, my adopted city. Love it here. So much nature in the city.

  • 4 votes
#1.94 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 4:33 PM EDT
believer-369603

Well, according to a book, my totem is the beaver.

According to a certain ceremony I went through, it's a grey fox.

Go figure :-)

  • 5 votes
#1.95 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 4:56 PM EDT
Eliana-536019

Cool! I'm not privy to any Native American ceremonies, but I bet it was a powerful, memorable event!

Anyway, according to Jamie Sams, who writes about totems, we have nine. Plus more can appear with special messages/lessons.

Thanks for sharing!

  • 4 votes
#1.96 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 5:27 PM EDT
dkaz

Well, according to a book, my totem is the beaver

Eliana, have believer show you his beaver squeegie. It's pretty neat.

  • 3 votes
#1.97 - Sun Aug 9, 2009 12:55 AM EDT
Eliana-536019

Oh, you are BAD, dkaz! Go sit in the corner for one minute!...and count your blessings...LOL

  • 3 votes
#1.98 - Sun Aug 9, 2009 7:59 AM EDT
dkaz

Oh, you are BAD, dkaz!

So I've been told............[smiling]

Go sit in the corner for one minute!...

Only if believer cums with me......With his "tool".

and count your blessings

That's why I send Magoo to church. He's going to be my "in". I've got other things to count. Like how many inches tall believers totem pole is.....when lying down.

  • 4 votes
#1.99 - Sun Aug 9, 2009 3:59 PM EDT
Eliana-536019

Ya'll go get a room!!! LOL

  • 2 votes
#1.100 - Sun Aug 9, 2009 4:05 PM EDT
dkaz

Wouldn't that be sweet? Then I could tell you where his totem was................[laughing].....and how tall it is.

  • 2 votes
#1.101 - Sun Aug 9, 2009 4:21 PM EDT
believer-369603

Don't need a room. This is my article. I can do whatever I want right here

  • 5 votes
#1.102 - Sun Aug 9, 2009 4:34 PM EDT
dkaz

In front of everyone?

  • 1 vote
#1.103 - Sun Aug 9, 2009 7:07 PM EDT
Sara G.

I'm a fan.

Excellent article...and from one gal who believes that men and women are both from earth....I applaud you and I agree with each and every point you made! Well done!

*Smiles*
~Sara

  • 5 votes
#1.104 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:59 AM EST
believer-369603

Hello Sara!

I was surprised to see this on my tracker this morning. This article has been dormant for months.

I'm glad you liked it. I write quite a lot, but this was a challenge, and I really was forced to examine my self a bit, which made the writing of it interesting and fun.

Then of course, we all had fun with the commentary, also.

Thanks for stopping by, and putting a spark of life into this thing :-)

I'm looking forward to more stuff from you, too. I never would have guessed that car keys could be the subject of an entertaining story. Do more!

I have taken up the writing challenge that you and A. Mac have tossed out there. I'll have something for you soon.

Um..You are that Sara, right?

  • 4 votes
#1.105 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:07 AM EST
Sara G.

Um..You are that Sara, right?

*laughs* Like you believer...I'm not sure there could be another one of me!

It's me, and I look forward, even more now, to your entry into the competition!

Thanks!

*smiles*
~Sara

  • 5 votes
#1.106 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:45 AM EST
Sara G.

Thanks for stopping by, and putting a spark of life into this thing :-)

Some times, articles like this need to be passed around 6 months or a year later.

I'm glad I could help get it recirculating. It's worth reading again....and again...

  • 5 votes
#1.107 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:02 PM EST
believer-369603

It's worth reading again....and again...

Do you suppose it could end up on one of those high school 'required reading' lists? I might end up with generations of American Lit students cursing my name, like we used to do with Dickens.......

  • 4 votes
#1.108 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:55 PM EST
Hekofawoman

Gosh believer - How did I miss this one? Did I know you yet? This suddenly came up on my tracker, which I have not checked in weeks, argggg -and there you were. Really good article and very well written. You hit it all on the nail. You are a funny and "smart" man believer - I knew you had many sides, and so glad I found this! Hek

  • 4 votes
#1.109 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:09 AM EST
CarlZup

Amen brother, a well written article that is obviously from the heart and years of experience.

If most people acquired the same philosophy about relationships the battle between the sexes would end in detente. Wishful thinking, I suppose...

  • 5 votes
#1.110 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:19 AM EST
Sara G.

believer:

Do you suppose it could end up on one of those high school 'required reading' lists? I might end up with generations of American Lit students cursing my name, like we used to do with Dickens.......

Oh, I hope not...we made voodoo dolls of him! *Cringes* (okay not like HE felt anything, but YOU might! *grins* )

  • 5 votes
#1.111 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:29 AM EST
CarlZup

We teach our kids about relationships by example, this joke illustrates that point:

A first grade teacher was teaching her class about the sense of taste by using a bowl of lifesavers candies.

The children began to identify the flavors by their color:

Red...................Cherry

Yellow................Lemon

Green.................Lime

Orange...............Orange

Finally the teacher gave them all HONEY lifesavers.

After eating them, none of the children could identify the taste.

"Well," she said, "I'll give you all a clue. It's what your mother may sometimes call your father."

One little girl looked up in horror, spit her lifesaver out and yelled,

"Oh my God, they're ass-holes!!!"

  • 4 votes
#1.112 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:57 AM EST
js-445607

believer-369603, I'm all for your list and have lived it and it works well on all counts. I know "looks" might confuse some but when I look at someone with interest looks aka teeth (or lack of them) hygiene, sense of style and body language are high on the list. Humor is a given, I don't bother beating around the bush, I am loyal and devoted and smell good, too. I've never ever had to worry about communication...just ask my guy.

Thanks for the fun some of the comments are hysterical.

  • 3 votes
#1.113 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:34 PM EST
believer-369603

hey hek, you finally made it. thanks for popping in.

yes you knew me back thenm you silly girl. You were the second person to send me a FR.

I'm glad you liked it.

  • 4 votes
#1.114 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:45 PM EST
believer-369603

hey Carlzup

the battle between the sexes would end in detente.

I don't know, paisan. Life might be a little slow if the battle ended. It's frustrating as all get out sometimes, trying to "understand" the opposite sex, but thye're worth the ffort, don't you think? :-0

ps. That joke made me spill my coffee, paisan. Don't do that to me :-)

  • 4 votes
#1.115 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:49 PM EST
believer-369603

Sara---

okay not like HE felt anything, but YOU might!

Hmmm. What are you implying here, Sara?

:-)

  • 4 votes
#1.116 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:52 PM EST
Hekofawoman

Ah yes, now I remember - probably didn't know how to use my tracker back then...lol. Seriously:) When I first joined I did it so I could comment on an article I found "close to heart" and the rest is history...(I was so much more serious then), probably a little skittish at first to have dabbled in "fun" as I did not know what to expect, or that I even could. lol - I've found my nitche, and have a great variety of friends with a vast amount of knowledge, so glad you are one of them. Muah - HekXOXO

  • 3 votes
#1.117 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:55 PM EST
believer-369603

js, thanks for coming by, and I'm glad you enjoyed it.

I went back to read some of the commentary, and you know, you're right. I had more laughs reading the comments than I did writing the article :-)

  • 4 votes
#1.118 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:55 PM EST
believer-369603

Hek did you just kiss me on the cheek?

I'm never going to wash my face again....

  • 4 votes
#1.119 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:56 PM EST
Hekofawoman

believer - why yes I did - wasn't it lovely (no slobber eithere)lol I was gonna say "love ya" but I thought you may think me a bit "forward" but you know what, "Love Ya", your a great guy, and I mean that! tapping foot waiting for mine to come knock me down with the next blow of the wind......

  • 3 votes
#1.120 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:11 PM EST
believer-369603

Kiss back atcha, Hek, you loon :-)

  • 4 votes
#1.121 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:32 PM EST
Hekofawoman

believer - I'm laying flat out on the ground...someone thought I needed EMS.....laughing

  • 3 votes
#1.122 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:26 PM EST
believer-369603

What is EMS? ExtraMarital Sex?

  • 4 votes
#1.123 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:36 PM EST
Hekofawoman

"Emergency Medical Services" LMAO...... You know for CPR, lol -no one knew what hit me, but when they found me I had a smile on my face:) LOL Your definition would not apply (I'm single)lol

  • 4 votes
#1.124 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:18 PM EST
Tex-988483

I seem to be technologically impaired these days. Can't seem to get a hot link. Even with gracious help from viners. Oh well.

Anyhow,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOnOTyN10I0

Couldn't find a vid of Camper Van Beethoven or Cracker but here's the gist:

"We would fight for hippy chicks
We would die for hippy chicks
We would fight for hippy chicks
We would die for hippy chicks
We might stop and surf a bit
But we would die for hippy chix
We might stop and skate a bit
But we would die for hippy chix." Camper Van Beethoven * Hippy Chix

  • 2 votes
#1.125 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:18 PM EDT
believer-369603

Hey Tex, what a surprise....good to see ya here. Did you bring your guitar?

This thing is a year old, but it seems to be suffering a sort of resurrection ....

A few other folks have mentioned having problems with links, also. I guess we can do the old-fashioned "cut and paste" thing" I can't access youtube here at work...but when I get home tonight I will check it out.

  • 3 votes
#1.126 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:44 PM EDT
mtherof3

Here is your link, Tex.

It's 'Vampire Girls' - is that what you were linking?

  • 3 votes
#1.127 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:45 PM EDT
Tex-988483

Howdy Bro. I reckon, as per usual, I am a day late, a dollar short. Just noticed this.

Yeah. Got the gitfiddle. Working on "Lost Highway" by Hank so's I can get my daughter to warble along with me on it. Part of my cunning plan to draw her to the Dark Side of Hillbilly Moosic. Already got her listening to Scott H Biram and the Drive By Truckers. Slowly adding in more rustic skeery toonage. We shall see.

Hey, check out my step daughter when you get a chance or Jones:

http://www.myspace.com/phoebeblume

and,

http://www.phoebeblume.com/

later gator

  • 2 votes
#1.128 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:50 PM EDT
believer-369603

I will check on her, tex.

Keep your powder dry.

  • 2 votes
#1.129 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:57 PM EDT
believer-369603

hey mther, how come your linky thingy works, and some others don't?

  • 1 vote
#1.130 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:59 PM EDT
mtherof3

Well, B, as we age, we learn a thing or two. More mature women know all sorts of....

OH! The link to the video!

I dunno.

  • 3 votes
#1.131 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:03 PM EDT
believer-369603

More mature women know all sorts of....

...sorts of what??? Damn, I hate when you do that.

  • 5 votes
#1.132 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:11 PM EDT
Tex-988483

believer:

I'll watch my top knot as well....

mtherof3:

Thank you kindly. Heretofore my links just showed up hot once I pasted them in. Do yours still do that? Is there some sort of new rigmarole to go through to get em hot? Have I not sacrificed enough chickens to the lesser Deities of Technology?

later gators......

  • 1 vote
#1.133 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:12 PM EDT
mtherof3

I'm gonna try it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acvIVA9-FMQ

Hmm. Nope, Tex - comes up like yours did.

I link with the tab on the top of the comment box that looks like a chain or an 8 on it's side.

First - highlight a word in your comment, then click the linky looking thing.

Then paste the actual link/address in the box.

That's how I do it.

  • 1 vote
#1.134 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:14 PM EDT
Tex-988483

Hmmmm. That didn't seem to work either. Maybe I jinxed you......sorry...

best atcha

  • 1 vote
#1.135 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:16 PM EDT
mtherof3

Take care! And don't forget to powder your bottom, like B said!

  • 1 vote
#1.136 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:19 PM EDT
CL1

I've never been able to link. I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but after following two person's instructions, it still doesn't work for me. What could I be doing wrong? Also, I can't ever get the ABC with the line through it to work, either.

  • 1 vote
#1.137 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:24 PM EDT
mtherof3

  • 1 vote
#1.138 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:26 PM EDT
CL1

mther -- does that mean ... nothing? ..that's good to know!

  • 1 vote
#1.139 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:28 PM EDT
mtherof3

lol. Was trying something out and then got distracted! I am unable to do the abc thing, too! weird.

I'll write to newsvine. They love hearing from me! : )

  • 1 vote
#1.140 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:30 PM EDT
Tex-988483

Alrighty then. I'm going to give it another shot. Here goes nothin....

Boogaloosa Prayer

Ok. Now, I'll find out just how remedial I is.....

  • 1 vote
#1.141 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:31 PM EDT
CL1

Ok, that link worked. Do you mind enumerating your steps?

  • 1 vote
#1.142 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:39 PM EDT
Tex-988483

mtherof3:

Dang. You are a bloody genius. You explained that is such a manner that even a squinty little pig eyed corn bread eatin fool such as myself could figure out. A Tip O the Stetson atcha.

Believer:

Dadgum Podjo. I just checked and it looks like you've been a writin fool. I am going to haul off and start reading your stuff. Ise stoked. First I have to get Big Dawg in the truck, bump down the mountain, toodle through the woods, get on the county road and into town to get me some possibles.

Don't mean to hijack your work here but I'm gonna try another link job and see if I gots it down.....

Black Rebel Motorcycle Club * Ain't No Easy Way

Hot Dang. Maybe I'm not a stoopid as I have led myself to believe. Naw. I'm pretty dense.

Anyhow, best atcha my Broheim......

  • 2 votes
#1.143 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:42 PM EDT
believer-369603

Don't mean to hijack your work here
never a problem, Tex.....give the Big Dawg and scritch for me.

And don't forget new strings on your list of possibles

  • 2 votes
#1.144 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:04 PM EDT
Tex-988483

Sadly, ain't no strings at the Hoggly Woggly......

  • 1 vote
#1.145 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:35 PM EDT
mtherof3

Ok. I read 'tip a stetson' and drooled a little. : )

Glad to help! Any friend of B's is a friend of mine.

Hoggly Woggly. Can I use that? Sounds like a good line for my potato article.

  • 2 votes
#1.146 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:53 PM EDT
believer-369603

Tex is one of the better ones, mther...and I'm picky.

  • 3 votes
#1.147 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:59 PM EDT
Tex-988483

Believer & Mtherof3:

Well, thank y'all kindly. Ditto.

CL1:

Look up there in comment #1.134 by mtherof3. I just tried that system. Now I will be dangerous......

later gators

  • 1 vote
#1.148 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:53 PM EDT
Reply
whatthetruth52

Dude, I am touched. I can't think of anything that I would add or take away, You have hit the nail on the head. This is absolute poetry. I will savor this on for a long time to come. Now let me go find the wife.......

  • 10 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 4:51 PM EDT
dkaz

You know..........I just finished reading this word by word, puncuation mark by puncuation mark.

I have to go prepare dinner right now.

But! I'll be back. Hang on to your........................well, just hang on.

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:24 PM EDT
believer-369603

Now let me go find the wife.......

Ah, I'm glad I could inspire you, paisan. I love unexpected benefits,

  • 9 votes
#2.2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:24 PM EDT
whatthetruth52

Well that was interesting, I learned new things today...... I think my day will go much better and more mellow now.

Believer I am indebted to your poetry. Thank you

  • 7 votes
#2.3 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:23 PM EDT
neenie1991

I love unexpected benefits,

Not as much as he and his wife are. :P

  • 7 votes
#2.4 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:44 PM EDT
Hugo C. Gonzalez 76

belilever: after this piece, you might just get a wife from the vine, sshhh! don't tell dkaz.

  • 6 votes
#2.5 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:58 PM EDT
dkaz

HCG,

belilever: after this piece, you might just get a wife from the vine, sshhh! don't tell dkaz.

I was thinking after this piece he just might get a piece from the vine.

  • 7 votes
#2.6 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:08 AM EDT
believer-369603

WTTruth52

Making the world a mellower place, one marriage at a time....

  • 9 votes
#2.7 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:21 AM EDT
Reply
cookin mama

believer. what a thoughtful insightful article. loved your viewpoints. true beauty comes from within IMO.

  • 10 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:09 PM EDT
believer-369603

Wow. I was not expecting that. Thank you, c mama. That's a nice thing to say.

  • 9 votes
#3.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:26 PM EDT
cookin mama

You are very welcome. I read some of your article's and I think your a cool dude. With alot to say.

  • 8 votes
#3.2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:36 PM EDT
believer-369603

Thanks again, c mama. Sometimes I think I say too much, though. Gonna get myself in trouble one of these days.

  • 8 votes
#3.3 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:43 PM EDT
Reply
cookin mama

Wtt52 did u find her? If we don't here from you for awhile we will have our answer. LOL

Now let me go find the wife.......

  • 7 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 5:34 PM EDT
whatthetruth52

All I can say is WOW!!

  • 8 votes
#4.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:41 PM EDT
believer-369603

All I can say is WOW!!

Ain't love grand?

  • 8 votes
#4.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:23 AM EDT
Reply
Kori

Great priorities and very well expressed from the intellect and the heart! Many of those desireable qualities hold true for men too. I hope you have found her and have a lifelong of happiness together. (If you haven't, hope you find her soon.)

  • 7 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:28 PM EDT
believer-369603

Thanks for stopping by, Kori. And thanks for the sentiments.

Many of those desireable qualities hold true for men too

Yes. I think men and women want essentially the same core values in a partner.

  • 11 votes
#5.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:38 PM EDT
Reply
LifeTravler

You're so blunt. I like that! Great article. I think I'm in love. [smile] Oh, and you're funny too.

  • 10 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 7:21 PM EDT
believer-369603

LifeTraveler

I think I'm in love. [smile] Oh, and you're funny too.

You would probably change your mind if saw me before coffee :-)

But thank-you.

  • 7 votes
#6.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:25 AM EDT
dkaz

Sorry believer. I have to bring it out again to show LifeTravler the real you before coffee. I know. It's not pretty but these women have to know who they're really dealing with.

  • 5 votes
#6.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:20 PM EDT
believer-369603

Dammit, dkaz, I thought I hid that camera from you, you sleuth. Quit posting that picture. You're putting a dent in my savoir-faire.

  • 7 votes
#6.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:23 PM EDT
dkaz

I think I just put a dent in your savoir-faire in comment #1.17

But...if you want, bring your savoir-faire over here and I'll kiss the booboo until it feels better. Even if it takes hours.

  • 6 votes
#6.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:54 PM EDT
believer-369603

I'll kiss the booboo until it feels better. Even if it takes hours.

Uh, it's kind of a serious dent. It may take......days........weeks even........hell, it might be chronic.

  • 7 votes
#6.5 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:23 PM EDT
dkaz

hell, it might be chronic.

Oooo....Does that mean I can be your personal "head" nurse? And I get to wash you and comb your long hair?

[gettin' tingley]

  • 4 votes
#6.6 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:29 AM EDT
believer-369603

tingley is good

  • 6 votes
#6.7 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:36 PM EDT
Reply
Victoriawood

Just as I was beginning to despair, humor squeaked in there. Here's what I like best about you. (Off topic?) Your lightning-quick wit. I mean the really good zappers. I have never seen you post a comment that was not perfectly executed and well thought out. Also endearing!

May you always be my sparring partner in an ongoing battle of wits. Not really a battle ... you know what I mean!

XO,

VDub

  • 8 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:46 PM EDT
believer-369603

Well...gosh...thanks, Victoria. I..um..that left me speechless.

you know what I mean!

Yes, I do. precisely. And I will return the sentiment. Thanks.


  • 7 votes
#7.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:29 AM EDT
believer-369603

Oh, and Victoria?

Any time you feel the need to go off topic in order to boost my ego, well, feel free. I can take it. :-)

  • 8 votes
#7.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:30 AM EDT
Victoriawood

What a guy!

  • 5 votes
#7.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:35 PM EDT
believer-369603

What a guy!

Ego boost!

This is fun.

  • 7 votes
#7.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:53 PM EDT
Victoriawood

Funner is gooder.

  • 4 votes
#7.5 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
believer-369603

Funner is gooder.

I'm thinking of having that tatooed somewhere

  • 7 votes
#7.6 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:40 PM EDT
Victoriawood

It's all yours! I think I made it up ... anyway, don't hurt yourself ...

  • 5 votes
#7.7 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:23 PM EDT
believer-369603

I think I made it up

Who else could have made up something like that?

  • 6 votes
#7.8 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:33 PM EDT
Victoriawood

Someone who speaks English?

  • 3 votes
#7.9 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:17 PM EDT
Reply
iceman6

Believer, Nice list.

As a minimalist, I'll settle for two:

  1. bright - scary bright, don't take a breath or she'll beat you to the thought type bright.
  2. a gentle sense of humor (with the occasional snarky edge.)
  • 7 votes
Reply#8 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 10:03 PM EDT
neenie1991

Sooo...like yourself! :)

  • 5 votes
#8.1 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 10:30 PM EDT
iceman6

Hadn't actually thought about that. Hmm...moment of (possibly uncomfortable) reflection.

So, OK...boy I hope that still describes me.

I was scary bright once. Maybe I still am, I can keep up with a whole herd of insanely bright people that work with me so maybe that half is still true. I win enough of those races to earn a little respect...I think.

The gentle humor I'm not so sure about. I have the snarky edge down pretty pat, but sometimes the gentleness is harder to find than it used to be. Some of the political "conversations" bring out the worst (well, maybe not the worst, but the snark) in me. On non-political topics I think the humor is gentle...I think. See, now I have to go back and read a lot of comments from the last few months. RATS, you know, this whole introspection thing is WAY over-rated.

  • 7 votes
#8.2 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:18 PM EDT
neenie1991

Whey over eighted.

  • 5 votes
#8.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:07 AM EDT
iceman6

ohhh. very good

  • 4 votes
#8.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:55 AM EDT
Victoriawood

She's waxing homonymic again ...

  • 4 votes
#8.5 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:05 AM EDT
iceman6

shouldn't that be whack sing homonymic?

Sorry, it's late and that is the best I can due.

  • 4 votes
#8.6 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:07 AM EDT
Victoriawood

Neenie? Link? B won't mind - he'll get a bazillion page hits and it's a great string for those who like to think. I do. You do. He does. Iceman does.

Pllleeezzzeee?

  • 4 votes
#8.7 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:15 AM EDT
neenie1991

Okay, but if he does mind, you are a co-conspirator and are subject to the same punishment.

http://neenie1991.newsvine.com/_news/2009/07/01/2989618-add-homonyms

  • 5 votes
#8.8 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:11 PM EDT
believer-369603

I don't mind neenie, as long as you link this one on yours :-)

I'm in the middle of writing a report, but I'll get to yours later. I promise.

I like homonyms. Especially for breakfast. They're.....gritty.

  • 8 votes
#8.9 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
Victoriawood

I can take it.

Thanks for the link, and thanks for being okay with it, B!

Not touching last line. Perfect as-is.

  • 5 votes
#8.10 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:38 PM EDT
Reply
GoldenGateMami_Susi

BELIEVER-369603!

You had me at -

If she comes home from work and kills the cat with the look in her eye and says, "I had a crappy day, leave me alone," well, why shouldn't I take her at her word? I'm not suicidal.

;)

  • 11 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Jul 6, 2009 10:04 PM EDT
believer-369603

Susi---

Yeah. I'm not much for subtleties.

Glad you liked it.

  • 7 votes
#9.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:34 AM EDT
GoldenGateMami_Susi

Believer....

Yep, me either. I did I did!

:)

  • 6 votes
#9.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:34 PM EDT
Reply
Kelan Putnam

The Five Elements That Make Men Attractive (to me anyway)

Empathy

To hear and listen simultaneously and not fix anything

No bigotry

Treats me with respect

Honest, therefore, Trust

The Decision to Love Me (and vice versa) Daily

Sense of humor and politics similar to my own.

After fifteen years of marriage, this is the person I found. A lot more than five things. I could elaborate, but why.

This is what I wanted when I did not even know what I wanted.

  • 5 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:42 AM EDT
Victoriawood

That's wonderful! Thanks for sharing that with us. Gave me something to think about, that's for sure!

  • 5 votes
#10.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 5:15 AM EDT
believer-369603

Kelan--

I could elaborate, but why.

Why not? Write it, post it. maybe some of us can learn something

  • 7 votes
#10.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:16 AM EDT
Reply
DoYouHaveAFlag?

Nice Job Believer... nice job.

  • 9 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:26 AM EDT
believer-369603

Thanks, Flag. I'm always happy to see you pop in.

  • 8 votes
#11.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:17 AM EDT
believer-369603

Hey, wait a minute Flag.

That's it? "Nice job?"

No rebuttal? No quick wit? No vaguely threatening comment?

Either I finally made the right impression, or you're not feeling well.....

  • 7 votes
#11.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 11:02 AM EDT
dkaz

Either I finally made the right impression, or you're not feeling well.....

I think she's going to get her "supplies". Hang onto your balls, buddy.

  • 6 votes
#11.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:23 PM EDT
believer-369603

Uh oh. Did you lock the door?

  • 6 votes
#11.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
dkaz

Nope. You're on your own.

  • 4 votes
#11.5 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:56 PM EDT
believer-369603

So much for devotion :-)

  • 6 votes
#11.6 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:05 PM EDT
dkaz

LOL!!!!............WHOOOSH!!!!...........Right on out the window along with deadlines.

  • 4 votes
#11.7 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:12 PM EDT
believer-369603

Well, you can still work on the other four :-)

No wait! I'm kidding, really. Put down the scissors!

Uh...what are you doing with that mason jar?

  • 7 votes
#11.8 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:49 PM EDT
DoYouHaveAFlag?

Hmmm laughter behind my back eh....

Well this is when the wounds run deeper... and applied with a dull dull knife

dontcha' believer... believer

  • 7 votes
#11.9 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:48 PM EDT
believer-369603

dontcha' believer... believer

:-)

;-

  • 7 votes
#11.10 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:36 PM EDT
Reply
moo119Deleted
Samoore4

I enjoyed your article..my number one is intelligence ( the brain being the largest sex organ) ..if you got that, everything else falls into place.

  • 4 votes
Reply#13 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 11:42 AM EDT
believer-369603

Samoore, thanks for checking in.

Intelligence has always been an important factor to me also, but I had to keep the list at five elements. "Intelligence" is a relative quantum, anyway. It is assumed that the intelligence level of a partner is comparable to your own, otherwise you'd probably lose interest in her.

And yes, the brain is the center of sensuality, isn't it?

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

  • 8 votes
#13.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 11:54 AM EDT
tyler

12 deleted, now-banned moo119 advertising a 'cougar mingling site'. Rawr.

  • 13 votes
#13.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:51 PM EDT
believer-369603

Thanks, Tyler. I was just going to ignore him, but your method is way more effective.

  • 8 votes
#13.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:06 PM EDT
Simplistic Reality

'cougar mingling site'

Lol. He just wanted to be part of the 'pride'. XD

  • 7 votes
#13.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:04 PM EDT
DoYouHaveAFlag?

What was the address again?...

  • 6 votes
#13.5 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:48 PM EDT
believer-369603

I think somebody wrote it down.......somewhere...

  • 6 votes
#13.6 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:38 PM EDT
dkaz

I've got it.

  • 4 votes
#13.7 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:50 PM EDT
believer-369603

Should have known...... :-)

  • 6 votes
#13.8 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 1:40 PM EDT
dkaz

Hey! A girl's gotta be prepared.

  • 3 votes
#13.9 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:31 PM EDT
CarlZup

Laughing....too hard... can't breathe... E... M... S...

  • 2 votes
#13.10 - Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:11 PM EST
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Baltimore BobDeleted
greck

Confidence

I would argue that a confident woman is immediately more attractive along all of the lines noted above than at face value.
The simple belief that she is inherently valuable makes a woman (anyone really), well, more interesting, worth more.
I'm not talking about arrogance or overconfidence, I mean, she has to know exactly who she is and believe that others can and will love her when they interact with her.

  • 5 votes
Reply#15 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 11:56 AM EDT
believer-369603

True, greck. Self-assurance can make a woman more attractive. It's a fine Line though, between that and self-conceit

  • 5 votes
#15.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 11:59 AM EDT
Reply
G. H.

Believer, excellent article! You have a pretty good handle on what should be a basis for attractiveness. A hot body is nice, but if it can't carry on a conversation or cause a good laugh, what's the point? You were honest. I do look first but withhold judgement until I see him interact with others for awhile. That is the biggest eye-opener. If you aren't just looking for a way to pass some time pleasantly, (hehheh), then knowing and watching them for awhile first is worth the wait.

p.s. Yeah................MILF?????

  • 6 votes
Reply#16 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:01 PM EDT
believer-369603

Hey, G.H. thanks for the comments.

if it can't carry on a conversation or cause a good laugh, what's the point?

Precisely.

p.s. Yeah................MILF?????

Yeah, Victoria? You're making me repeat myself. Where are you?

  • 5 votes
#16.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:28 PM EDT
Victoriawood

oopsie - thought everyone knew that one.

Tyler - do not delete me - this is for educational purposes only ...

MILF

"Mothers I'd Like to Funk"

Should be a T in there, but it's not my acronym.

The kids made it up. That's how I found out. eeps!

  • 5 votes
#16.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:45 PM EDT
believer-369603

So, is there a "FILK" category?

  • 5 votes
#16.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:03 PM EDT
Victoriawood

I'm certain there is. Mine is a boy child. Lord knows what the girl children are saying ...

But, in keeping, wouldn't that be FILF? Has a cute ring to it ...

  • 4 votes
#16.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:15 PM EDT
believer-369603

Yes, you're right. "FILF" is it. I forgot to use spellcheck

  • 6 votes
#16.5 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:36 PM EDT
neenie1991

Oooh, I saw a real FILFy one the other day. My my...actually it doesn't count, he was my age. Pfft.

  • 5 votes
#16.6 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:17 PM EDT
believer-369603

I don't think that matters, neenie. The only qualification is "Father". That potentially covers every male between the ages of 16 and death.

  • 7 votes
#16.7 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:25 PM EDT
Victoriawood

Apparently age is of no consequence - it's purely one of those terrific, shallow visual things!

  • 5 votes
#16.8 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:26 PM EDT
Victoriawood

Oops - yours beat mine - at least we concur!

  • 5 votes
#16.9 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:37 PM EDT
believer-369603

one of those terrific, shallow visual things!

Why is it that a woman can make this statement without being called a sexist pig, but us guys have to wait until we're 92 or George Burns before we can get away with it?

Just askin'

  • 6 votes
#16.10 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:50 PM EDT
Victoriawood

Well, in reality, it was not I who defined MILF. It was teenage boys. So I stand before you, as always, blameless!

  • 5 votes
#16.11 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:52 PM EDT
neenie1991

believer,

It came from teenage boys, so you and your peers are 'sexist pig' free on this one. Unless you're 16?

  • 5 votes
#16.12 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:09 PM EDT
believer-369603

Unless you're 16?

Not chronologically, no.

'sexist pig' free on this one.

Cool! I can play in the "pig free" zone now.

  • 6 votes
#16.13 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:28 PM EDT
Reply
littlereddog

You hit another one out of the park again, believer. You are becoming the male alter ego of MsCyprah - MR Cyprah?

I would be a liar if I said that looks didn't make a difference. I'm not going to bee line it for the guy standing in the corner picking his nose and scratching his balls, by no means. But, after working that room, I'd have to say that communication, intelligence and humor are what gets me coming back every time. Nothing worse than a guy that can't hold up his end of a conversation. I'm pretty straight forward. I don't pussy foot around with mind games and appreciate someone who tells me I'm full of sh!t, if I am - and appreciate a man who will accept a critique or two, as well. I am not an easy woman to live with. I am amazed often at the patience, acceptance and devotion of the husband I have been married decades to. There is a place in heaven for him for some of the stuff I have put him through over the years. Our marriage is not perfect, with challenges at every turn it seems. We drive each other nuts, but, I am blessed to have him.

I am a bit surprised that you didn't mention sexual performance in your list. I thought that play time was important to men. I'll admit that I've dumped a guy or two due to poor bedtime performance, or unwillingness to up their game a bit through a little instruction. No one needs that kind of frustration. Just curious why you didn't mention it.

  • 6 votes
#17 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:08 PM EDT
believer-369603

Hey, LRD, thanks for coming by.

I am a bit surprised that you didn't mention sexual performance in your list.

Read the last paragraph again. Sex is important to me in a relationship, but without the other 5 things I listed, it's just that: sex.

With the other 5 things, it becomes heart-shattering love making.

I prefer the latter, myself :-0

  • 8 votes
#17.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:22 PM EDT
littlereddog

I guess I wasn't very clear when I said that. What I meant is that I thought sex would have been on every man's top 5 list, not just an addendum.

"With the other 5 things, sex is earth shattering."

Perhaps, in the beginning of a relationship, when you're getting to know someone and everything is all new, shiny and fresh, I would agree with you. Unfortunately, anything tantric in the sexual realm, more than not, ebbs in a relationship. I can't tell you how many times I have had long conversations with married and single girlfriends bemoaning that. Maybe it's another one of those things that no one tells you that sucks about getting old. Maybe life just happens and other things get in the way. Maybe my girlfriends and I are in crappy relationships. Who knows? I used to think that if I had all of my ducks in a row and found the guy that met all of my top 5 critieria, that everything else would fall in place. That never happened. I've never had a relationship that I didn't have to work on 24/7, and I don't know anyone else who does either.

Could I be any more cynical. What a buzz kill I am today, huh?

  • 7 votes
#17.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:44 PM EDT
believer-369603

First, I don't know anything more about relationships than you do. I'm just another long-haired loon with an opinion. So keep that in mind.

One of my favorite sayings goes like this: Falling in love is sublime and exquisite. Being in love is a chore and a pain in the ass.

When I'm in a committed relationship, I expect some physical intimacy. Well, okay, a lot. But when I'm single and I first meet a woman, sex is not what I'm thinking about. I don't think I'm all that unusual. The sex is a by-product of becoming attracted to somebody.

I'm a cynic too, you know, by nature. It doesn't stop me from looking for the fun in life. I just have to work at it more than the eternal optimist would.

  • 7 votes
#17.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:04 PM EDT
neenie1991

I think a relationship is work. People seem to forget that. Hence the divorce rate perhaps. Things don't fall into place and then you forget about it. Relationships aren't static. Now if you feel like you are working 24/7 and your partner is on vacation, then you have a problem. There are always bumps in the road, fix them? Go around them? Stop and give up? Negotiate them and move on to the great smooth and scenic parts!

  • 7 votes
#17.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:25 PM EDT
littlereddog

Indeed, believer. I'm going to have to paste you favorite saying on my bed post, and read it often.

  • 6 votes
#17.5 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:27 PM EDT
believer-369603

neenie--

a relationship is work

True. But that doesn't mean it can't be fun also.

littlereddog----and never lose your sense of humor!!!

  • 8 votes
#17.6 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:42 PM EDT
littlereddog

BTW, believer. Don't sell yourself short about your wisdom on relationships. Everyone has been burned in love. Some people learn from their experiences and some make the same mistakes over and over. Besides your over the top wonderful writing skills, you have great talent for observing and processing human nature. You remind me so much of an author acquaintance of mine, who writes these wonderful novels about his own life journey, sharing the wisdom that he has gained, yet laughing at all the missteps and errors along the way. I am a richer person for having met you on NV.

  • 8 votes
#17.7 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:50 PM EDT
believer-369603

There are advantages to having a rootless and mis-spent youth I suppose. It forces you to learn stuff.

  • 9 votes
#17.8 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:14 PM EDT
G. H.

believer................you had me at "long-haired loon" I had to run right over to your column and try to see you! Darn, if that is your picture, it doesn't show much! HMMPH! I love long hair on a man.

  • 7 votes
#17.9 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:19 PM EDT
littlereddog

Yep, believer, and it's that freedom that is one of the things that I envy you for.

  • 8 votes
#17.10 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:19 PM EDT
littlereddog

G.H.

He had one hot avatar up briefly a couple of weeks ago, but, he took it down. He's a cruel man, that believer.

  • 7 votes
#17.11 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:23 PM EDT
believer-369603

That's me in the avatar. There's an informal poll going between this one and the old one. I like this one. So does dkaz. Some people voted for the old one.

I love democracy.

  • 8 votes
#17.12 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:32 PM EDT
G. H.

Fine, but I didn't see the first one! littlereddog and dkaz think you are hot. Guess I'm just a day late and a dollar short eh? :-)

  • 7 votes
#17.13 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
dkaz

G.H.

I saw a blurb on the first one. He posted it while I was on vacation and I remember a Fu Manchu. With white tips. That's it. Then it was gone.

But this one. This one has feeling. I'd like to have a poster of this one. Just to sit and stare at and maybe do other things while staring.

  • 6 votes
#17.14 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:00 PM EDT
believer-369603

maybe do other things while staring.

Hmmmm

Does it involve a chair?

  • 7 votes
#17.15 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:07 PM EDT
dkaz

Does it involve a chair?

It could. A rocking chair. One that I can control the rocking and rolling.

  • 4 votes
#17.16 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:14 PM EDT
believer-369603

littlereddog and dkaz think you are hot.

Well, you can always just take their word for it. :-)

  • 6 votes
#17.17 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:40 PM EDT
believer-369603

One that I can control the rocking and rolling.

Ah. A music-loving control freak

  • 6 votes
#17.18 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:45 PM EDT
Victoriawood

Well, looks like I need to grab the camera and drive on over there and shoot ya! In the name of a new Avatar, don't you know. Whadaya think, voters?

Yes, I am within driving distance. Eat your hearts out.

  • 6 votes
#17.19 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:49 PM EDT
dkaz

Your kind of woman.

  • 5 votes
#17.20 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:49 PM EDT
littlereddog

I thought you SoCal types were going to have a mini meet, V Dub. Don't you have any good pictures of believer passed out on the floor or something from then?

  • 6 votes
#17.21 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:15 PM EDT
Victoriawood

D - Music loving control freak, or drives with camera??

  • 5 votes
#17.22 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:17 PM EDT
Victoriawood

LRD - Missed it! HGC was away, I got the yuckies and B - well I forget. We're gonna try it again ... but some of us are so busy being popular ...

  • 5 votes
#17.23 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:19 PM EDT
dkaz

Vic,

Music loving control freak.

17.20 goes with 17.18 which goes with 17.16

  • 4 votes
#17.24 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:36 AM EDT
Victoriawood

(I know. But it was fun!)

  • 3 votes
#17.25 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:20 PM EDT
G. H.

Believer @ #17.17.................."Well, you can just take their word for it" Take their word for it? What, do think I'm a Republican, I just believe what ever I'm told?? HaH! ♥

  • 7 votes
#17.26 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:39 PM EDT
believer-369603

G. H.---

do think I'm a Republican, I just believe what ever I'm told?? HaH! ♥

That made me spill my coffee :-)

  • 8 votes
#17.27 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:57 PM EDT
neenie1991

That made me spill my coffee :-)

I have read and been the victim of too many spitting, spraying and spilling Newsvine incidents.

I currently have a computer condom in development. I'm tired of having paper towels, windex and a hair dryer next to my computer.

  • 5 votes
#17.28 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:03 PM EDT
believer-369603

Computer condom?

Hmm.

Let me know when you have a test model. I sure could use one of those.

Does it provide protection from trolls?

  • 7 votes
#17.29 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:15 PM EDT
Victoriawood

Only if it has a reservoir tip to stash 'em in.

  • 5 votes
#17.30 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:44 PM EDT
believer-369603

Okay, I spilled my coffee again, Victoria :-)

Hurry up and develop that thing, neenie

  • 7 votes
#17.31 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:07 PM EDT
Victoriawood

Sorry?

  • 5 votes
#17.32 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:41 PM EDT
neenie1991

Does it provide protection from trolls?

Hey! I'm not a miracle worker! A reservoir tip wouldn't work, not enough rooooom. I am working on a trollfile. A foolproof way to identify suspects in 3 easy steps.

  • 5 votes
#17.33 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:25 PM EDT
cookin mama

A reservoir tip wouldn't work, not enough rooooom.

Certainly not for the one with multiple personality that is stalking Dave.

  • 8 votes
#17.34 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 11:11 PM EDT
Victoriawood

I know - it was all I could come up with real fast.

Nothing is troll-proof - except to ignore them. As we all know!

  • 4 votes
#17.35 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:44 AM EDT
believer-369603

it was all I could come up with real fast.

If that's what you came up with "real fast", you'd probably make me fall out of my chair with something you had the time to think about. :-)

  • 6 votes
#17.36 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 10:49 AM EDT
cookin mama

believer i sent you a friend request.

  • 5 votes
#17.37 - Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:06 AM EDT
dkaz

cookin,

believer i sent you a friend request.


"Shhhh...he's sleeping. I'll go wake him up and tell him. There's a certain way he likes to be woke up."

  • 4 votes
#17.38 - Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:19 AM EDT
cookin mama

d ROFLMAO.

What did u think of those links?

  • 5 votes
#17.39 - Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:45 AM EDT
dkaz

What links? I've scrolled up and I'm not getting the connection.

  • 3 votes
#17.40 - Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:51 AM EDT
believer-369603

c mama---you're on, thanks

dkaz----thanks for the wake-up "call". It woke me up, but it didn't help me get out of bed.........kind a made me want to stay there longer.....

  • 5 votes
#17.41 - Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:21 PM EDT
Reply
Perrie

Wow sorry believer....I didn't relize that you had published this...please forgive me.

I will go over your points....

1. Looks: I'd admit it, I am a shallow being. Looks do matter to me. What attracts me, is a mystery to me....I just know when it happens. For instance...and don't laugh girls, I find George Clooney and Hugh Jackman equally attractive with Jeff Goldblum and Stephen Rea (the crying game guy). But I know that it is important to me to find the guy attractive.

2.Communication: Well heck yeah! All I do is talk and express my self. If I couldn't communicate with my partner at an equal level, I could explode.

3.Patience and Acceptance: That one I would have to reverse to be acceptance and patience. It is very important that the person I am with and vise versa, accepts me as I am. The probability that I will make any major change to my personality is minimal, and the same goes for my mate. Patience is something you develop after you have kids, LOL!

4.Devotion. A must. Anything less is unacceptable.

5.Humor: I am going to replace this one with interests, which include humor. If we don't have the same things in common, like the love of art, music, humor, information, etc, there is no foundation for a relationship for me. I must love your mind as much as I am into your looks. I guess that is why I like some of those other less then stud types....there is something I like about their minds...or at least the way they seem.

  • 9 votes
Reply#18 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:34 PM EDT
littlereddog

Hi, Perrie! I love your response on Number 1. Though pretty boys are, well, purdy, I am so much more attracted to the Jeff Goldbloom types. I like that hidden bit of smolder behind the dark eyes and big nose. There's nothing like a man with a bit of mystery. There's nothing more interesting than a man who you have to actually get to know before you love him. I like a man that I have to peel off the layers before I get to their essence. Men who wear themselves on their sleeves, and where substance is skin deep, are so booooooring.

  • 8 votes
#18.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:08 PM EDT
believer-369603

Perrie--

please forgive me.

It just went up yesterday. No forgiveness is necessary. You're here now, that's what counts.

Devotion. A must. Anything less is unacceptable.

I wish I could have been so succint.

  • 8 votes
#18.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:17 PM EDT
Perrie

John Adams valued devotion which he referred to as commitment as the supreme quality in a mate, and wrote this to his wife, Abby:

"There are only two creatures of value on the face of the earth: those with the commitment, and those who require the commitment of others".

It means so much to me that I included it in my bio.

  • 9 votes
#18.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 5:15 PM EDT
Perrie

Hey LRD,

I think I perfer the Jeff Goldblums in this world too. There is truth in trying to figure out someone who is that complex that is very sexy in the head...if you know what I mean!

  • 8 votes
#18.4 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 5:16 PM EDT
believer-369603

Adams was a sort of an odd man, but he did have an awesome relationship with his wife. Have you read the book of letters between the two?

  • 8 votes
#18.5 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 5:19 PM EDT
Perrie

Little,

I just read what you said about realtionships. I have that anything worth while in life takes work. If it takes constant work, someone is asleep at the wheel. But if you have a good friendship as the backbone of your relationship, it makes everything else fall into place. I have had blow outs with the hubby, and one hour later, we are watching a movie on the dvr, pausing every two minutes to discuss something that has happen...once you got that all is good.

Sex is one of those things that does change with age. Now that I have teens in the house that never seem to go to bed, sex is when we can squeeze it in. But in any good realtionship sex is the glue that binds, but not the food that feeds.

  • 8 votes
#18.6 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 5:27 PM EDT
believer-369603

Perrie..

If it takes constant work, someone is asleep at the wheel.

Yes. I didn't mean to imply that keeping a relationship together was some form of penitence. I meant you must remain vigilant to your partners happiness, and that takes some effort some times, as opposed to "falling in love" where happiness is so liberally abundant that it takes no effort whatsoever.

Unfortunately, many couples go right from happiness (falling in love) to complacency (staying in love) and they start to take their partners for granted.


  • 8 votes
#18.7 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:16 PM EDT
Perrie

Unfortunately, many couples go right from happiness (falling in love) to complacency (staying in love) and they start to take their partners for granted.


And this is a terrible mistake. For all good things need attention paid to them. A garden left untilled will soon be overgrown with weeds. A realtionship is just like a garden. It takes care to keep it beautiful.

  • 8 votes
#18.8 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:59 PM EDT
Spikegary

I think it was the Writer, Rev. Andrew Greeley, that has written several times that marriage with a great sex life will never end in divorce, murder maybe, but never in divorce. Lots of truth to those words.

Believer-excellent article-I agree with all your thoughts above, lock step. Humor should be everywhere in a relationship-it's the grease that keeps the wheels turning......

  • 5 votes
#18.9 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:40 PM EST
Spikegary

A realtionship is just like a garden. It takes care to keep it beautiful.

And a decent wax now and then...... ;-)

  • 5 votes
#18.10 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:41 PM EST
believer-369603

hey Spike, I'm glad you stopped in, and thanks for bringing your humor :-0 Maybe this article will get re-incarnated. That would be cool. I've never had a Buddhist article before....

I've never heard of Andrew Greeley, but I like that quote. Is he any relation to Horace?

  • 5 votes
#18.11 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:48 PM EST
Spikegary

I don't think so-he's an Catholic Priest from the Chicago area that writes about the clan Ryan, an American Family of Irish descent-mixing metaphors on how the love between a man and a woman reflects God's love for us. If I ever would have been around people like him in my more formative years, I think I would have been more open to religion-nothing like any representatie of catholicism I've ever seen or read.

Hope I can help you ressurect this article-it's very good!

  • 5 votes
#18.12 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:38 PM EST
believer-369603

Thanks, Spike--

if I can find something by this Andrew Greeley, maybe I'll read it. I have to admit, very very few Christian writing interests me, it's usually pretty predictable.

But I do like that quote, so maybe his stuff will be different.

  • 5 votes
#18.13 - Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:51 PM EST
Spikegary

I'm not a catholic and don't believe in many things I've seen/heard about catholocism. He addressed the whole priest molestation thing in some of his books in the 70s/80s and predicted in those books that the scandal would erupt and potentially injure the church, possibly permanently. His lead character is a Monsignor named Blackie Ryan who solves mysteries in his own (possibly) befuddled manor. Many of these stories mix in a very strong human love story-his books in no way are a recruitment manifesto to the Catholic Church, though standing freely, they might well do that job-better than anything the vatican could write.

Generally, the books celebrate love, again, as a pale reflection of God's love for us. Pretty good stuff.........and most are written in a storyteller manner, making that much easier to enjoy.

  • 5 votes
#18.14 - Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:40 PM EST
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MoCowgirl-1193719

Believer,

I have enjoyed this thoughtful, well-written article more than any other I have viewed lately. I am going to share this with my grown daugthers since I think they will, too.

Thank you.

  • 8 votes
Reply#19 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:46 PM EDT
believer-369603

Thank you, Mo, that's a nice thought. I appreciate you taking the time.

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#19.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 2:50 PM EDT
MoCowgirl-1193719

No, thank you for giving me something useful to think about not only today, but everyday in all relationships, because I feel much of this applies to creating enduring friendships and relationships other than the dating/marriage thing.

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#19.2 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:24 PM EDT
believer-369603

creating enduring friendships and relationships

Yes, that's true. This can apply to any close relationship I suppose.


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#19.3 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:42 PM EDT
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Anibunny

I enjoyed the read! Thank you for sharing this.

Looks: When I saw "Looks" first, I didn't think anything bad. You're just be honest and I think the way you explained it was very well put. Plus, you said it at the end:

I might add that if the last four become highly developed and real love blossoms, the first one becomes irrelevant.

And so I completely agree!

Communication: I couldn't help but smile, but also feel a bit. . .guilty you could say. Ha ha ha! Now while when I say "leave me alone" I really mean "leave me alone", I do recognize I fail at communicating in other areas. I'm working on it in my current relationship!

Patience and Acceptance: Warms my heart reading this. I wish more people thought this way too. My last relationship was pretty damaged and hurt mostly because of lack of patience and acceptance I think. A learning experience for me and (hopefully) for the other person as well.

My mother who I don't always listen to gave me a great piece of advice that I will carry with me always. "If you are going to spend the rest of your life with someone, you have the rest of your lives to do everything!"

Devotion: I got a little "misty-eyed" at this. I never thought of it like that. The word seemed strange, but reading your explanation of it makes sense.

Humor: I think having similar/same sense of humor also helps make you feel comfortable with the other person. At least, that's part of the reason why I think it is important. It allows me to be myself with the other person which is, of course, important.

And to be honest, I am not surprised sex wasn't listed. I think I heard it said somewhere that "Good sex is only 20% of the relationship, but bad sex will be 80% of the relationship." Because I think there are different emotions and aspects that are affected by it. Acceptance would play a part, vulnerability, being comfortable with the other person, understanding, trust, humor, and more.

If you are compatible with someone sexually, it will only strengthen those areas.

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Reply#20 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:04 PM EDT
believer-369603

I like your insights, Anibunny.

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#20.1 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 3:43 PM EDT
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ytmndExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

#1: Vagina

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Reply#21 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 4:24 PM EDT
SnotRag Dave

believer, I gotta nod in agreement with your article. You are right on target.

For the most part, I wouldn't change the order of the five points, although... if I may... I would add:

#6 - Secrets. She has at least one, and shares it with you. Only you. Maybe it's a hidden birthmark... a quirky part of her history... some little eccentricity. Whatever it is, she thinks so much of you that she shares that little item with you.

And, it makes her blush just telling it. Maybe giggle a little.

And then she swears you to secrecy.

Now, you know that her best friend already knows. But that's OK... 'cause she just gave you a little piece of her soul. And besides, she does things with you that she might tell her best friend... just to make her jealous. (Yeah, she will tell her best friend.)

Now... that's sexy.

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Reply#22 - Tue Jul 7, 2009 11:04 PM EDT
believer-369603

Dave---

#6 - Secrets. She has at least one.................................Now... that's sexy.

I truly wish I had written that passage. Or even had that thought.

Thanks

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#22.1 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:45 PM EDT
dkaz

Believer, love-

I have a secret..........[giggling and blushing]

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#22.2 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:34 AM EDT
believer-369603

Now...that's sexy...

  • 5 votes
#22.3 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 10:50 AM EDT
dkaz

If you think that's sexy, wait until you hear the secret.

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#22.4 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:22 PM EDT
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Arizona1950

Believer ... great article. Thank you! Honest and to the point, whomever you find attractive, lucky girl! I will believe that everything you wrote is true and everything you find attractive in a woman is also what she will find in you. My favorite insight ... Patience is a journey, not a goal, and that journey is fueled by acceptance. My take on what is probably the most important in a relationship, well that would be devotion. I don't think anything feels better than to know that you are #1 in someone's life. Right up there with humor and communciation. :-)

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Reply#23 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:35 AM EDT
believer-369603

I don't think anything feels better than to know that you are #1 in someone's life.

Yes. I know that sounds self-centered, but it's true. For all of us. Like I said, that's why people have puppies......complete and utter devotion.

Right up there with humor and communciation. :-)

Yeah. I had a running battle up there with dkaz about this. But truthfully, I listed them purely in random order. I don't think any one is more important than any other. You need them all to have a successful relationship.

Or I do, at least.

  • 8 votes
#23.1 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:52 PM EDT
dkaz

believer,

I had a running battle up there with dkaz about this...

Are you up to another round later?

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#23.2 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:58 PM EDT
believer-369603

No retreat, no surrender, love. Bring it on.

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#23.3 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 1:36 PM EDT
Arizona1950

Oh goody ... another round of dkaz and believer! :-)

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#23.4 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 8:25 PM EDT
believer-369603

Do you have a pool going. Arizona? I might want to place a bet or two :-)

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#23.5 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:09 PM EDT
Arizona1950

believer ... if I did - I would be taking bets on dkaz. Sorry, but no doubt in my mind that she will play it fun and leave you screaming! LOL

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#23.6 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 11:22 PM EDT
dkaz

Arizona,

........she will play it fun and leave you screaming! LOL

You forgot the word, "with".

"She will play with it fun and leave you screaming."

[And if you don't mind, I'd like to add the words "and exhausted" too. Thanks.]

  • 3 votes
#23.7 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:38 AM EDT
Arizona1950

LOL ... giggle, snort, tears ... can't see! OMG! Too funny ... jeezzzz, color me red.

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#23.8 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 8:15 AM EDT
dkaz

Do you have a pool going. Arizona? I might want to place a....

I've got a pool, believer. What do you want to place in it? Huh?

Oh! I don't allow clothes in mine, so better think of something good.

  • 3 votes
#23.9 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:26 PM EDT
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believer-369603

Baltimore Bob---

Irrelevant and pointless comments. Take your anger somewhere else, please.

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Reply#26 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 1:38 PM EDT
Baltimore BobDeleted
believer-369603

Truth or not, it doesn't matter. You're in the wrong place. Stay on topic, or stay away.

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#26.2 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
cookin mama

dftt

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#26.3 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:39 PM EDT
Victoriawood

The community is a wonderful thing, Non?

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#26.4 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:45 PM EDT
believer-369603

Strength in numbers

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#26.5 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:08 PM EDT
neenie1991

Unless you're weighing yourself. :(

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#26.6 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:26 PM EDT
dkaz

neenie,

Don't weigh yourself. The more you weigh, the more you see, the more depressed you get, the more you eat.

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#26.7 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:41 AM EDT
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MoonCrow

Great thought-provoking article Believer ... and an interesting laundry list.

A couple of things came to mind as I read it. The operative word ... attractive ... was one of them. Something attractive appeals to five of the six senses: sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch. If the sixth sense is present, then there's probably no reason to check out the first five, as you probably already know the outcome and the success or futility of pursuing the individual. :-)

The second thing is the questions that may pop in ones head as they check items off the laundry list. "Where might the attraction lead?" Just a date on a lonely night? or a lifetime together? Which brings up the question, "what do I ultimately want from this person?"

If you're looking for a long-term relationship, probably the most important key element for the success and longevity of that relationship has little to do with what you want. It's about "you" as the attractee looking to be allured by an attractor. Put the shoe on the other foot. How do you stack up? It is a two way street. Oddly enough, if you form a relationship that spans 30, 40, 50, 60, or more years, you might not remember what attracted you to that person in the first place and it certainly won't be the reason you stay with them.

I've been married for almost 30 years, and people ask what attracted me to my husband at first. Well, I always reply "... his voice." Well, both you and I know I didn't marry him for his voice and we certainly haven't stayed together because of his voice. And, after thirty years, both he and I have grown ... no, evolved ... into different people than we were all those years ago, but we still love each other ... more than ever before. For example, I was a size 4 .... we won't talk about what size I am now. His chest measured 50 inches .... we won't talk about what size his chest is now. Why? because it's not important.

So, I'm thinking being attracted is an emotional response. It's temporary ... and if it's temporary, why inhibit yourself with a laundry list?

Go with your gut feelings. The human mind, in an attempt to justify moving forward with another person, comes up with reasons, i.e., great bod, blue eyes, pretty smile. While we are digesting these restrictive thoughts ... on another, more obscure plane ... fate is jumping up and down and trying to get our attention. We shouldn't ignore it, because while we are trying to make sense out of why we are drawn to other people, the love of our life might just get away.

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Reply#27 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 1:49 PM EDT
believer-369603

Hello MoonCrow, welcome to the party--

And thanks for taking the time to put in a thoughtful comment.

First, let me say I wrote this as a response to a challenge from a couple of friends. The "laundry list" never existed, per say, until I was forced to think about it.

You said "Go with your gut feelings." I always have, and I always will. In order to write this article, though, I had to have something tangible. I had to sort of delineate what those gut feelings were. I thought long and hard about it, believe me. And this is the closest I could get to explaining my "gut feelings."

So it's limited. You'll notice I don't specifically define any of those 5 elements. I can't, honestly, because they're gut feelings, not tangibles.

"Which brings up the question, "what do I ultimately want from this person?"

Yeah, you got me there. That's where I had trouble. I wanted to address this, but couldn't figure a way to make it coherent with out making the article so damn long nobody would read it.

The whole "looks" thing comes from the initial attraction. The others are what I would want in a long term relationship. I did sort of change gears, but I tried to make references later in the article to define that a little better. If you have followed the comments, you can see where I've copped to that and tried to make it clear.

Essentially, I love your comment and I agree with everything you've said.

Except the "laundry list" part, because that is not at all what the article is about. :-)

But I'm glad you read it and commented.

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#27.1 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:21 PM EDT
believer-369603

fate is jumping up and down and trying to get our attention. We shouldn't ignore it,

I love this btw, because it's rock-solid true and it's just a great line.

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#27.2 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:24 PM EDT
MoonCrow

Hey believer ... I guess I wasn't really speaking to you personally ... but to the concept, maybe the challenge parameters. I do that ... go off on the logistics of something, not really considering exactly to whom I am speaking but to what. :-P

Anyway, the laundry list was just my satirical way of humorizing "key elements." It sounded so scientific ... like calling a mother "the maternal unit." I was just messing with the term. I can tell you're a straight up, sensitive, caring person, and no doubt a wonderful catch for some lucky girl.

I really enjoyed thinking about this article and appreciate you taking the challenge and writing it.

It also brought to mind something a favorite great aunt used to say. She had never married, and when folks asked her exactly what was she looking for in a man, she would quip, "...well, first of all, he's got to be breathing." I see even more humor in that statement now then I did all those years ago. Thanks.

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#27.3 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:39 PM EDT
believer-369603

Your first paragraph.....yeah, I do that too.

I tried to put some humor into the article. Folks who know me and my writing will see it. I wasn't sure if others would. Written words can be so limiting, sometimes, you know?

I enjoyed this exchange, MoonCrow. I hope we run into each other again :-)

  • 9 votes
#27.4 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:53 PM EDT
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Arizona1950

I'm not sure if this is the same for men, but I have met women, myself included, who agree that the more you know someone the more attractive he becomes. It might be the voice or the eyes or the shoulders or the butt (the list can go on) that first catches your eye, but it is the communication, the sense of humor, the sincerity, intelligence or sharing of ideas that makes you see beyond the physical stuff. This I find leads to the guy becoming more attractive to where he actually becomes more handsome or cute whichever the case shall be. Perhaps its this first stage that leads to a stronger relationship or commitment?

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Reply#28 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 8:36 PM EDT
believer-369603

Yes. See my comment #1.60.

I've experienced this myself

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#28.1 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:11 PM EDT
dkaz

It might be the voice or the eyes or the shoulders or the butt

THE BUTT!!! I forgot about that. Whether you're a male or a female, we all like nice butts.

Hey believer!! Do you have a nice butt?? Picture please. Email it ASAP. Thanks.

  • 4 votes
#28.2 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:49 AM EDT
believer-369603

Do you have a nice butt??

Yeah, it's smokin'.

http://www.fotosearch.com/bthumb/CSP/CSP177/k1776107.jpg

  • 6 votes
#28.3 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
dkaz

[Writing on believers page......"He blows smoke out of his ass."]

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#28.4 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:40 PM EDT
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cookin mama

This one is for you B

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Reply#30 - Wed Jul 8, 2009 11:15 PM EDT
dkaz

Cookin......

This one is for you B

[Laughing my ass off!!!] You got it mama!!

Hey believer! Have you ever met one of NV's favorite trolls?

Believer meet Sham......Sham meet believer.

  • 4 votes
#30.1 - Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:53 AM EDT
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